Kristin Taylor
Stephen Chong, my guest, is a far North Queensland Australian based author How draws his inspirations from life’s themes that Really, they relate to us all. Love, grief, struggle, overcoming obstacles, culminating in his 6 inspirational novels and multiple short stories. The reason Stephen is here today is that he is a very untypical NDE near death experience. Perhaps really not even clinically an endy, but rather something altogether really difficult to quickly I, but wholly worthy of listening to as it sheds light on our soul’s journey, our soul’s purpose, and what he uniquely has learned about the afterlife. Welcome, Stephen.

Stephen Chong
Kristen, thank you for having me. It’s an absolute pleasure to be here.

Kristin Taylor
And you have been sharing. You are a messenger now. You’ve been on lots of different podcasts, and your book is starting to reach people. So set the stage It you will. How did this all start?

Stephen Chong
Oh I goodness. Let let us go back just on 4 years ago How. And just prior to that time of of this accident, which I will describe, I’d retired. I’d said enough, you know, it’s time to plant tomatoes in the garden. But as you do when you’re in your sixties, you still think yourself bulletproof.

So I’m up about 15 feet on the cleaning at the gutters at the How, and we’re very remote here. We’re in I for us. Nobody, no near neighbors surrounded by trees. And the ladder slipped, and I fall and hit the ground. You know?

In 1 big heap, and I couldn’t feel anything below the neck. And I thought, oh 0, Steven, you are in a deal of trouble here. But I gotta tell you the gods of it to favor because this particular morning, my wife happened to be here. And generally, it’s a Saturday morning. Generally, she’s away.

So she heard me scream and come to my rescue. And and here we here we are. Here we stand all all these well. But I must say that the the the depth of the experience did not occur at that time. I didn’t as I guess, whatever traditional NDE It, you float off and see to, you know, you know, this death process It was in the period of rehabilitation where I had this title of the book I, a hamster wheel in my head.

And I knew what it was. I knew where it was coming from, and I denied it. You know? I denied. So no.

Leave me alone. I’m done. But eventually, I’ve I’ve said, okay. To the to the universe to because I knew where it was coming from.

Kristin Taylor
Well, let me slow you there. Where was it coming from? Where was it coming from? You said the universe?

Stephen Chong
I think the universe to this god, this, the spirit, the It telling me, Stephen, you have a higher purpose. I knew that, so I had to make a choice. And the choice was either I could say retired or I could buy into whatever this process. Was to reveal. Okay.

So I did, and I bought It, and I said, okay. I will write this book, whatever it is. But the afterlife, what do I know? I know Nothing. So I had to so the l the 2 elements there that are critical for me was a burden of choice, so I chose to to follow this pathway.

And I trusted I yeah. Having bought into this process, I trusted implicitly that whatever it was to be would be there. And, Chris, it never failed. Every time I sat when It, like, when I sat to I, originally, I had no nothing. No storyboard.

No character. No Nothing. So

Kristin Taylor
Well, then yes.

Stephen Chong
As soon as I said

Kristin Taylor
I’m sorry to interrupt. Can I interrupt you? So will you tell us? Was it a voice that was talking to you? Was it just a sense that was talking to you, was it visual?

How did the message come through?

Stephen Chong
That’s a very good question, and it’s all of the above. I I saw the colors, and and I I I heard the music, the beautiful music that was the surround. And I heard the dialogue I it was in my head. And there’s a a main character whose eyes Through whom I am seeing. It character he’s odd telling his story, and he’s showing me things.

So he’s taking me on this journey, a voyage into the different levels of of the heavenly realms. And, honestly, I was taking dictation, doing my best to describe the things that I saw. You say the the the beautiful music, the colors were Don’t don’t think the colors are the rainbow. 10 I, tenfold. I’m just doing my best to describe, but I but I saw but the The the dialogue was interesting because if you read the book, It the dialogue is I Gothic.

The the language is old English, but I I’m just a regular Aussie dude. I don’t speak like that. I don’t think like that.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Stephen Chong
So in some ways, It was a validation for Made, but the whole experience was 1 of absolute trust. I I knew every time I sat, I never knew where the story was going. I had no idea. But every time I sat, I was taken to the next part of Courtney.

Kristin Taylor
Were you in a meditative state? Did you have to get into some sort of state of mind for you to receive the messages, or was it just a matter of sitting down at your PC? And saying, okay, let’s do this. What was required?

Stephen Chong
That’s an interesting question. What I what I did was created the conditions. For I was I tuning a radio doll. So I I would relax certainly. But in in the morning, I would arise and say to spirit, okay.

It 1 o’clock, you’re on. Like, give them a time frame. Because, you know, you got stuff. You got things to do during the day. So I said, okay.

1 o’clock you’re on and you got 2 hours. It that time, I would shut out the externals. Yeah. Anything that beat and burst at Made, you know, I I I went into seclusion. Mhmm.

And, you know, I acquired it It mind. I I still but I It wasn’t not a a thinking process. I didn’t have to think anything. I listened. So okay.

Mhmm. What what am I going to write today?

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Oh,

Stephen Chong
got it. And it was there.

Kristin Taylor
Well, let’s I wanna make sure that the listeners because this is so unique, Number 1, you did not clinically I. But prior to us hitting the record button you shared with me I I was asking, the fall was like a catalyst. It you down, put you in a state where you needed to pay attention to the nudge from the universe from God, from It saying you’re not done. So that is how it is connected to an Made, but it was really simply the catalyst to position you well to receive this message and say yes to It.

Stephen Chong
Yes. That’s a very interesting observation and very accurate. As we were describing our fear, I certain of 2 things. And 1 It that the accident was an opportunity for a redirect. To say, Stephen Mhmm.

You have chosen a pathway, but you can plant tomatoes if you so wish. But there’s a higher purpose for you. But I How to choose that. But the second you know, critical event was, I, being imbued with a And the best description is a superpower, a talent, a skill that you do not know you have, but we the universe will give you. And that’s exactly what happened.

You know, the how I was able to write this Chong. So I was given the ability to to write this beautiful this beautiful book It the words and see all the different things that I saw. That that that were the 2 pivots, if you will, that enabled this this book to be written.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Amazing prior to the fall because I’m imagining any old I use. I don’t know if it’s Aussie, but it’s certainly It. So Bear with me. Any old bloke Made into the world.

Suddenly, they’re hearing and to use the term channeling, automatic writing, whatever term we’re gonna use. For a lot of people, it would freak them out. Were you a spiritual person before the fall? Was would this have been the weirdest thing in the world? Or, like, no, I’ve always kind of had the ability to have these different altered senses and connect with spirit.

Stephen Chong
I’ve been a Christian, I’ve been a very fortunate man. I’ve been surrounded by beautiful people of spirit. And hopefully, I’ve learned over the years I learned and listened to. So I guess we could describe that as being ready to receive is the best I I could put it. Yeah.

You’ve been conditioned in some ways. But as I say, I had purposely It mind turned away from that and said, okay. I’m old. I’m grayed. I’m now retiring.

You know, they were comfortable but that’s not the way the universe works to to my understanding. You as long as we draw a breath, we have purpose.

Kristin Taylor
Yes. So let’s go ahead.

Stephen Chong
No. Oh, no. You go ahead. Yep. Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. So it’s a really compelling story. What this character shows you exists on the other side. Okay. Please get us started what you learned and what are audience should learn as well.

Stephen Chong
Oh I goodness. How, I, let me tell you 1 thing I. Preface to that. What happened about 3 months after the book has finished. And I in edit the team edit I’m in edit mode.

So I’ve read this story, this book a hundred I. And you start not to see things, of course, in the writings. But again, the voices in my head are going Stephen Made it again. You’ve missed something. What?

What? So I’ve I’ve read it again, and, honestly, it was like reading something, you know, where you put a highlighter, 1 of those yellow colored highlighters across words, that’s how exactly how it was and I saw embedded in the text. And I found 15, and I’ve pulled them the laws of heaven and earth. Guidelines isms that that I’ve got to tell you, it was extraordinary. So these these these laws have made such profound difference to my life.

It’s like being embedded with a whole new range of, I don’t know, skills or values or beliefs. But that’s and since, you know, I’ve, you know, I to embed them in in one’s life in relations and things. But that’s that’s how that happened. So, you know, I saw these laws of heaven on earth, and they just stood out to me. So that I mean, that of its own was a total revelation.

Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Laws of heaven and earth. I Made dying for you to share them.

Stephen Chong
Sorry. I missed that last part, Krishna.

Kristin Taylor
I said Made dying for you to share these laws of heaven and Earth.

Stephen Chong
Oh, 0, I goodness. Well, I won’t go through the whole 15. Let let me just pick 1 or 2. Ah, okay. What you have caused to affect in your fellow man is what declares your place in heaven.

So we are all 1 in spirit. So what I do to another, I do to myself. So let me give you an example of that to It to answer your previous question. What I saw or 1 of the things that I saw is When we pass over, we go through this. And I saw them as these myths.

So go into these myths where 1 do or or a purgatory, if you will, where 1 does a life review. And and this is not not God’s judgment, you know, the big panel of old fellows, beards, saying you’re a good boy, you’re a Made. It’s like looking in the mirror of reflection, and it’s what you cause to affect in your fellow man that declares what happens when you move into the heavenly realms. So what I saw and It did my best to describe were these these souls were exited out of these myths, and they were dressed in these robes neck to toe robes. And the robes were multicolored.

And again, don’t think the colors of the rainbow. This is colors will almost be on description. But some souls were dressed beautifully like in gold, blues, yellows, beautiful colors. And they then moved up It to took a pathway that was uniquely or was upwards. Other cells came out of these myths dressed in fashion brown, darky, yucky colors.

Kristin Taylor
K.

Stephen Chong
And and they had to follow a path that a pathway down that was uniquely yours. Nowadays, pardon. A I example of what I saw, there was a soul that exited the mission. She were dressed in these brownie, dark colors. And she tried valiantly to move up to the higher levels by virtue of whatever was into a system of beliefs.

But she could not she was unable to move up to the I levels. She tried Through or 4 times to do so. But eventually was resolved to the fact she had to follow the pathway that was uniquely hers. But my understanding is, again, based on what we’ve done in life and It life review, we then are robed in these colors. That designate where we Made to in the heavenly realms.

Kristin Taylor
I’ve just.

Stephen Chong
And other souls are able to look at our robes, the color of what’s happening in the colors, and know exactly what we need in love. So they are able to serve, provide whatever assistance we need. In that regard by virtue of what they’re seeing in the color of the robes.

Kristin Taylor
Wow.

Stephen Chong
This is normal. It amazing, isn’t it?

Kristin Taylor
It is amazing, but it’s not unusual. I have heard this multiple times and from multiple sources. That there are levels, and it’s not about good or bad. Like, you wouldn’t look at a child who’s in kindergarten and say, why aren’t you in graduate school? It just is what it It.

That is where their soul has evolved to It that point in their soul. I don’t know what you’re called a lifetime, but I. And so what I’m also hearing you say with 1 of the laws of heaven is that It there are themes that help people to evolve, I, if you move through difficulty trauma, challenging lifetimes that you are exercising compassion and truth and service and anything that is a derivative of love, it helps the soul to evolve. And so it’s the amount of lifetimes and it’s the quality of love and service executed that help people elevate towards those more brilliantly colored ropes. Am I tracking with you?

Stephen Chong
Perfectly described. That that’s exactly how I I I saw it, and that’s to that’s what I saw happen. There is there was nowhere in the heavenly realms that I was taken to work. There was never an absence of love. Never an absence of love.

There there were angels everywhere to serve those that were ready to receive both in in the lower levels and, of course, into the higher realms. So the the this concept of, you know, whatever we’ve done It life, we go to an eternal hellfire or It. This I did not see. No. It was It was not correct.

We as solved, we continued to evolve in the heavenly realms.

Kristin Taylor
Yes.

Stephen Chong
1 of the let me read 1 of the other laws to you. Number 2, the judgment of heaven is neither vindictive or eternal but probationary and remedial. So that says to me that we It we’re open to the love, the receipt of the love, then we are able to to to move up Through into the the heavenly realms. And and I must tell you that the main character, whose name is Athar, that’s exactly what happened to him. He How, by virtue of How ability to forgive others for what they had done to him in life, he was able to move up into the heavenly realms, and it was through his eyes that I’m seeing what he showed Made.

Kristin Taylor
Through through his eyes. Okay. So It someone is wearing a mucky brownish gray robe, what might that soulless experience versus someone who’s wearing, say, I, a brilliant jewel toned purple. Right? So what are their experiences?

It we’re calling it Stephen colloquially just for common language. Right?

Stephen Chong
Yes. Christian, I’ll tell you I’ll give you 1 of the very profound things that I saw was I’m with an through a thou’s I, and I’m with a master I. And we go through this It best I can describe It, like, a a a field where bushfire has gone Through. The smoke and the the the smell and horrible powerful place. And we’re walking along this pathway, and we enter this portal, huge, big Courtney.

And you could feel that It like a horrible place. And we walk into this through this Courtney, And what I saw were these huge vortices, spinning power vortices. And there was I, there were soles, they were I, they were trapped inside this this forticks. And and around each Courtney were these beautiful angels, like angels in waiting. And they’re standing there.

I’m like, I couldn’t make this up in a 100 years, but I’ve turned to I turned to the gardeners. This is a horrible place. What is this? And what he said, well, these souls are are interpped by choice. Think think this is not God’s judgment, not God’s wrath, that does not exist.

God does not have. There’s no wrath of God that I saw. It’s all love. But they’re entrapped by their own choice. Think the set the 7 deadly sins, lust, greed, wrath, I can’t remember the rest, but they trem the soul within.

So It is a burden of choice. And as soon as the soul is able to be contrite, to repent, and go, please help me god. You know, see the I. Which is always there, then they were removed from this the power of this choice and taken away by the angelic hosts to wherever they were meant to go. So they were It amazing an amazing It to see.

But that’s that’s what I saw and did my best to describe.

Kristin Taylor
Well, for further validation, however unscientific this is, I’ve listened to 2 NDEs that come to mind, they were quote unquote hellish NDEs, and they essentially say the same thing. They were in these horrific, hellish experiences that they explained in It, and it was when they recognized and felt Made, about something they had done or thought or believed or perpetrated whatever it was, and they asked for help. Mhmm. He was like, whoosh.

Stephen Chong
Agent. That’s it. That’s exactly how I saw it. Yes. That’s a perfect description.

Yes. Amazing, isn’t it? So they’re really you’re able to forgive yourself or forgive others or whatever it might be, and that release releases you from the burdens of these these triaves.

Kristin Taylor
Wow. Wow. Okay. So that is the this is my language, not yours, but that is the hellish experience. Let’s talk about someone who is more evolved wearing the more brilliantly colored robes.

Were you able to see what they were gaining access to our experiencing?

Stephen Chong
Yes. Jeez. Where do I start with that? Let let let me let me give you a description of the at our at the most beautiful of us and that’s children. Taken again with the god that we got taken to this building.

And when you when I say building, don’t think like a regular house or This is Grico Roman magnificent marble elobester structure. And there was this blue mist surrounding this this building. And I, I’m innocent. I don’t know where I’m being Stephen. So enter this building.

And, Kristen, I got to tell you, even even now I get tingles when I remember, the love that was in this building was so was like a, oh, you know, warm blanket on cold night. It would just surrounded you. And so we get we go into this building, And there’s all these rooms having these beautiful angels, again, mostly dressed in I a blue colored robes. And It tending to these babes in arms fledgling children, young souls. And the love that surrounded was so magnificent.

And I I turned to the God’s point, what is this place? And it was described that Every every child who has passed from the earth froms early is so profoundly loved by the heavenly father and his angelic How. And that’s where young souls are brought to their palm of their spiritual health in this place. It I remember asking the question, what what happens if the even if the the bond between the parent and the child is somewhat fractious. Doesn’t matter.

Every every I soul is beautifully nurtured by. The angelic coast. No child no child who was left behind or and, I mean, if the bond between the the parent and the child is Chong. Well, that bond is a bond of love and it will exist forever. But in this building, every I was brought to the time of their spiritual health?

Kristin Taylor
So when you saw children, were they wearing the beautiful robes then you could tells. So they’re they’re in this particular eco Roman gorgeous alabaster marble building, and they’re wearing these opulently, beautifully colors we don’t have here. Okay?

Stephen Chong
Yes. Yes.

Kristin Taylor
Were they part of a sole family? Because I hear that all the time that we have thousands of people in our sole family that we continually reencore harnate with embodying different roles. Did you gain any access into that?

Stephen Chong
Yes. They they what I what I learned, Christian, is love is the bridge. So if the if the love is strong between the kin between the parent and the or whoever between those kin because that is a bridge between here and there where wherever we are. So if that bond is there, it is eternal. And that’s the link between the the so that love is not broken.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. And so I wanna pause theirs. I think that’s really important because tell me whether this connects with what you learned or not. But so much of what I hear and read and so forth is that we create blueprints or contracts prior to our incarnations to say, especially if we are more evolved souls Mhmm. I will encounter this adversity and someone in their sole family with a bond of love will say, How, I will step up and I will be the abuser, or I will be the 1 that makes that challenging, or I will be your hagonist in some way.

And so they come here to earth school and duke it out, so to speak. Mhmm. And then on the other side, it’s like, Oh Made, thanks for taking 1 for the team to help you elevate and learn to use your words I forgiveness, Yes. I? I was a difficult mother or daughter or whatever it was.

Stephen Chong
Yes. I I think that’s profoundly accurate. Yes. Yes. And and forgiveness is at the heart at 1 of the other laws, forgiveness let me read it so I don’t mess it up.

Forgiveness is at the heart of your ultimate realization. So our ability to forgive ourselves and forgive others from what they’ve done releases. Let me give you a perfect example of that. Athal, this main character, just by background for your listeners, in his life, he was abused under the officers of the clergy. So, you know, he and he later on It his life, he took his own life.

So he was stuck in this purgatory by virtue of the the shame and the guilt and the anger that he felt and he couldn’t see the light. What I thought How was stuck in this decrepit house do it and, you know, he he he How would just, like, he was stuck in this Made, but there was a lot. Internally there that he could not see. And it was not until he was able to forgive the people, the person that had perpetrated the the heinous things in I, that released him into the heavenly realms, and it enabled him to go be shown all these different things. And I’m seeing through his eyes.

But his ability to forgive was the key.

Kristin Taylor
That’s really fascinating because What I’ve also learned is that so much of the learning actually takes place here. But what you’re saying is that there is the capacity in these hellish experiences that can happen if someone’s own Through patterns and feeling stuck in them. There can be an experience of fear, and they can learn and evolve on the other side as well.

Stephen Chong
I, I think that’s entirely accurate. That’s exactly that It exactly what I saw. We can the the we continually to evolve I our memo that I think I I wrote and you don’t ask me what chapter, but there were souls there that were kind of content. Happy to be of service in whatever levels that they were they were It. But there were in a fast case, he was he was eager to evolve.

He said, okay. More. Show me more. But that was a there was a trust in a release It Made to go Through. But the this process of involvement can continues It we so choose, absolutely.

Kristin Taylor
It we so choose. And did they share? And this is the gazillion dollar question that we always ask.

Stephen Chong
Sorry. Okay. Sorry.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Can you hear me okay?

Stephen Chong
Yeah. I’ll go to How. Yep. I can say that

Kristin Taylor
again. Yeah. This is the gazillion dollar question that I’m sure you’ve been asked Made, many times. What is it all for? Why are we cast into these, ever reincarnating beings, going through soul lessons, and sort of this hierarchy of different lessons towards forgiveness and love.

Source God heavenly father you called It. I?

Stephen Chong
How, there’s a profound question. Let me preface it with another law. Lord number 12, to know that you are sacred is not to see new things in you, but to see yourself as you really are.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. See yourself as we really are. And my stab at that is we are all part of the divine.

Stephen Chong
Absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. We are there is no separation. If ever again, that law number 13, if ever there was a separation between the divine and his children, then God’s love would not exist.

Kristin Taylor
And God is love.

Stephen Chong
Yes. Yes. That’s it. It was

Kristin Taylor
So the lesson is always love.

Stephen Chong
I think, yes. And this love was all It was I it was all pervasive. I won’t give away too much of the book, but I at the end, I got like, again, I’m not when I say Made, it was for Through a thousand eyes. So we got taken up to these higher higher levels. I got then folded by this master saw, and we got taken up through the into the I levels.

It was like eventually, like, going up through Trico is the best way I could describe it because he was Made taking a soul that wasn’t quite ready. And we we got up to a a a a really don’t ask me how high, but it was a really high level. And there was a magnificent building, I, again, the Greco Roman Architecture. And there was a master soul there. And this master, he’s in the I say, How.

You know, because there’s it’s limitation of language. He or she, you know, it’s the same thing. And It was human in the prime of his life. Young vibrant, beautiful. And he he he took me to this like a top of a a a cliff or a mountain top, and he showed me right at the end of the book.

It was like the colors and the music and the that was all pervasive. So there were the higher levels of the the the the more Exalton realms, and they were the darker colors underneath. But it was all love There was never an absence of love in any of It, and music was a part of it all. This music infiltrated everything that is and was. That’s what I saw right at the end of the book.

It was such a magnificent experience to see it.

Kristin Taylor
You know what we haven’t mentioned yet? What’s the book’s name? What’s the title?

Stephen Chong
The afterlife of Courtney 2, now you know will happen.

Kristin Taylor
Oh, I love that. I love that. What did the music sound like?

Stephen Chong
Oh, and I haven’t got a music or bone in my body, Kristen, but So I I God, how do I describe? What I can tell you It it was a part of everything. It was everything that is and ever will be. It was just music in color. And it was I.

Up to the high level, it was just kind of there. It was a block that was a part of you.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Stephen Chong
But what I know It, like, I probably I’m describing this with within the limitations in my own head. I probably didn’t do It justice. I’m trying to interpret It, but it wasn’t just a it was love as best I can describe it.

Kristin Taylor
I I hear the limitations of language are so frustrating. What I’ve heard in other people’s NDAs is everything. Is creating music, whether it’s a flower or a blade of grass or the fabric of someone’s robe, there’s a vibration of music that is ever present. And it’s I harmony and elevating and raising the vibration of love.

Stephen Chong
Yes. That’s I’ve got to tell you that It exactly what I saw and that is exactly what I felt. There were areas throughout the book, we got taken to I or or or for us and stuff, and everything was alive. I you Made stopped by a tree, and that tree would was full of I. The grasses were full of life, and they were were responding to you in love.

Every That’s the best way I can describe it.

Kristin Taylor
Amazing. Amazing. So another question. Some people are Christians. Some are Muslims.

Some are Hindu. Some are Buddhist.

Stephen Chong
Mhmm.

Kristin Taylor
What role does our religion play on the other side?

Stephen Chong
That’s a very good question. The It the description I the book, remind you, my I’m not a religious man. I have no religious background. But there were a couple of ins places I got taken to where souls were not intractors, alright, but they were stuck. By virtue of what they believed in, which was erroneous Mhmm.

But it stopped them from experience seen the beauty of the love that was there waiting for them.

Kristin Taylor
Interesting.

Stephen Chong
Yeah. That’s the best way I can do God there. I I I got taken into a congregation where the souls were praying to an idol of of of religious significance. But their belief system entrapped them from seeing the love that was I for them to experience so that because of what they believed, they were stuck It that makes sense.

Kristin Taylor
Yes. It does make sense and to move through the process of becoming unstuck. It’s allowing in the love and asking for help much in the same way with the people who were in the vortex and there Made angels around them that they’re only seen?

Stephen Chong
Yes. That’s exactly in the 2 instances that I remember distinctly. There were angels waiting there for an author helped these people who was able to help these people release them from this this stuckness, if you will. Mhmm. But they were angels.

They’re waiting for them to release themselves from these these Okay. In erroneous doctrine.

Kristin Taylor
In erroneous doctrine. Yes. So share if you will. Time goes by quickly. Will you share another 1 of the heaven?

What did you call it? Laws of heaven? Oh,

Stephen Chong
0, yes. I’ve got to tell you 1 of 1 of the ones that It is so vivid I got taken into again with the guide, and there were these these bells peeling, summoning, and only souls were coming into this huge arena. Think the think the Roman coliseum. And you’ll have a picture. And this color Made is filled with all these beautiful souls and the Made can you imagine all the colors?

And they’re they’re all chanting the the ohm sound. It’s reverberating around the arena. And so I’m sitting in the audience. And in the middle of the arena, with these recliner lounges. I’m not I, I’m sitting and going, like, what the and in walk these ceraf from beautiful, angelic beings.

And each seraf has got a charge of I a decrepit soul. The soul was now formed and ill. And the the sheriff each sheriff guided their soul onto 1 of the lounges. And the the lounge kind of folded them, wrapped them like a blanket. Hello, just writing this and doing my best to I.

And then in walk this, I can still picture him this angelic being, beautiful white golden robes, and he stands in the middle of the arena. And he holds up his hands. And he takes the energy, all the beautiful love energy from this from the arena and he starts to wave this magnetic ball in his hands. And it’s like a spinning disco ball. And then from this ball shines this laser I, these laser light come and shine.

Straight into the soles on the lion’s chest. And then after that, he he’s kinda he’s finished and he vaulty’s hands back in the exits. And then each of the soles on the landers gets up and healed. They are toad they are totally, like, healed. And I’ve turned to this guy and, like, again, what what just happened?

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Stephen Chong
And he said, Since imposed by others, the cause of melody in that particular soul, you are released from those burdens. So It if I do something bad to you, and it causes you harm or I don’t know. Say give you a bad drug or something that causes you you’ll sole harm. You are released. You are released from the burdens of that that melody.

You are healed from those burdens. Made on the other hand because with intent, I’ve caused you harm. I need to bear the consequences of those in some other fashion. But you are released from the burdens of those those melodies.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. So now I think you are at a place where some people might be, what? Okay. So we’ve all not been perfect. Maybe we hurt someone in a relationship or were deceitful.

And so we go to the other side and we need to to use your terms bear the consequence. What is an example of a consequence 1 might face if they’ve intentionally caused someone harm.

Stephen Chong
I, I think the word intention is is the key. It if I intend to cause you harm with malice or whatever it is, then Mhmm. I I would It would need to endure the consequences of that that action. Where as we said before, we are all 1 in spirit. What do I do to you or do to myself?

Kristin Taylor
Yes. So what is a consequence? I, if someone was seeking revenge or It someone was deceitful for personal gain, I, what kind of consequence might a soul encounter on the other side as a result? Ah,

Stephen Chong
there’s another good question. Let me give a as best I can, the description of what I saw that I author has evolved he’s he’s such a beautiful soul. He’s come he he he’s he’s shown me all of these different higher levels. And there’s another well, let’s call him a friend with How. It says, a father is something you’ve missed.

There’s 1 thing you’ve missed, and the fastest year I of, I know, I I’ve been trying to ignore kind of And he says, are you ready? And I It, okay. Together, we will do this. And what he did, what happened, they got they they went down this place that was horrible. They’re like a dark can you mention a tunnel of snakes and vermin and screaming, and it was a horrible, horrible place.

Mhmm. And they had to support 1 another to go there. And who was at the end of that tunnel was the clergy Made, clergy person that had perpetrated the heinous things to a tsar. And what this clergyman had done for himself was create he he he like a barrier, this How didn’t want because of all the horrible things that he had done, he had cut himself off from the love that was there awaiting because he was afraid. He was afraid people were going to come and hurt How.

By virtue of the terrible things that he had done, He’d created this environment with it. Don’t come near me. I’m safe here. But, with strength and forgiveness was able to say, I forgive you.

Kristin Taylor
Okay.

Stephen Chong
And and that release, that

Kristin Taylor
that released him.

Stephen Chong
That priest from the burdens.

Kristin Taylor
So if Affar, is it a f or t h?

Stephen Chong
A t h a t h a r.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. Okay. If Affar did not forgive him, thus releasing How, if the clergymen, if the priest. Had shown some sort of contrition and said, please help me. Would that have also released him?

Stephen Chong
I I did not that’s not what I saw, but I could I could well imagine that to be the case. In in what I saw, Tha was the key to helping him, you know, that forgiveness to say, I forgive you. Okay. Yeah. And and he he he Assad took this soul It proofed out of the tunnel, and there were 2, again, angels in waiting.

Waiting to take this soul away.

Kristin Taylor
Because this brings up a lot of complexity. When I think about someone, let’s say someone was an abusive parent, and the children are still on earth, and the abusive parent is over on the other side. And there’s some complexity here because the abusive parent may have been the 1 to say, How, I will play the role of the abuser so that you souls who’ve elected to be the children can learn the lesson of healing and forgiveness, whatnot. But now that abusive parent is on the other side, the people he abused are not. So could theoretically How be caught in that hellish landscape until the children come and forgive How, or I hope what he can do is be forgiven.

Or forgive himself, and he’s not caught there.

Stephen Chong
That is such a magnificent question. I got to tell you. And let me let me give you a perfect description of, again, what what I saw and describe. Athar is waiting. He’s he’s sitting with with his friend sitting watching the myths and souls coming out of the myths, you know, these people that have recently passed over.

And he’s waiting specifically for 1 person. And that was his mother. You know, It his life, he was mother was domineering and impatient and and quite a what I can imagine, a very nasty person. And he he went to meet her and basically said, I forgive you. It’s okay.

I I I love you, but she was not able to accept that forgiveness of what and I so my I paraphrase which It, what Made? I did the best I could. You know, I’m I was a good mother. It in denial. K.

And therefore, she had and Asana said to her I mean, again, I paraphrase, I hope you see the love that’s waiting for you.

Kristin Taylor
Yes.

Stephen Chong
Because I’ve done my best. That that’s Yeah. Basically what he said. But then this mother, this soul dressed in brown, darky, and horrible robes, had to follow a pathway downwards. She had no choice.

She had to follow that pathway. So she was unable to accept the forgiveness It was being handed to or on a platter.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. Okay. So, like, we’re perpetuating your own How.

Stephen Chong
Yes. Yes.

Kristin Taylor
Which is what I feel like we do on this side so much at the time. Mhmm.

Stephen Chong
Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

Kristin Taylor
I gosh. Okay. So time is going by quickly. I I imagine? And tell me if I’m wrong, please.

It takes courage to show up in the world. It takes courage to show up in the world. And to say, I, world, I have this deeply spiritual experience and I want to share what I have learned. Did it take a lot of courage to you to come forward, or was it like, you know what? I am in a different spiritual place.

I want I know this will be good. It people judge me, they judge me, let the chips over, they may. I need to fulfill this soul’s No. Yeah. Responsibility.

What was that like for you?

Stephen Chong
Oh, I. I gotta tell you that’s a beautiful question. Let let me answer it in 2 ways. What I mean? In April this year, I lost my beautiful mother.

Now she is Made eighties and her her death was, you know, of great devastation to me and the family. And, you know, prior all of my life. Now I’m an old Made. All of my life, I thought, hey, mom, when you go, I’m not hanging around. I this is I I don’t want to I.

I don’t want to stay. But, you know, Since from the knowledge I’ve gained in writing the book on what I now know happens, in the heavenly realms. I know where she’s gone. I know the higher levels where she’s at. I know how to contact her.

It in this place, you can’t see on the screen. I I know she’s there all the time.

Kristin Taylor
Yes.

Stephen Chong
So that whilst 1 feels grief, that knowledge I’ve gained from writing the book has now become experiential. I live it. And what what she says to me is that go forward, you know, you’ve got a story to tell, be empowered So the grief fund feels for the loss here, physical loss here, you know, you you missed the person, but that grief is totally empowering. It says, you have got a job to do. Go.

I will I will be there and help you. Don’t be afraid. Speak, you know, you That’s exactly how I said it.

Kristin Taylor
Beautiful. Beautiful. And people just like on the other side, they have a choice whether they heat It, or they push it away. But you are the messenger, and it can cause profound healing in the way that You have experienced It even with the grief of your mother. I’m so sorry.

Stephen Chong
Yes. Absolutely. And to and I good to tell you to know that we are never separate from the divine. So 1 of the other we’re probably short on time now, but the Guardian angels are there for us all the time. When never absent from that connection.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Gosh. There’s so much here because there are councils of I. There are guardian angels. There are departed loved ones.

In the time that we have left, what practical tools can people start to practice or implement that you feel would connect them with the divine and love more intimately.

Stephen Chong
My goodness. It’s a magnificent question. I I don’t I don’t want to be over self promoted, but for me, the the laws of heaven have been an absolute burn to one’s life. They have changed direction. They they give me a wider perspective on on life to know that we are never separate from the divine.

We we only think we are. That’s right. So we need to tune in to listen, to ask quest ask questions of what, you know, the the devon? Because they they they will answer every question. Every question.

So we ask, what do I do about this? How do I fix? Where do I go? I know that the answer will be there. It will come to us in some form or another.

That you you know that intuition that that we wake up in the morning and go, oh, I’ve got It. Oh, you know, or we talk to somebody and I or read something and you go, oh, That’s it. I’ve got

Kristin Taylor
it. Signs.

Stephen Chong
That’s a divine speaking to It. The signs. Yeah. But but it happens consequential about asking the question. Wishing yeah.

Knowing that connection is there, the answer will come.

Kristin Taylor
I love it. I love it. Well, we could talk forever, but time is up. Thank you so much. How do people say the name of your book again, and how do people find you?

Stephen Chong
The book is called The After I, Courtney 2. Now you know what will happen. And probably the best It People want to get hold of the laws of heaven and Earth. Just go to my website at www.stevensteven Stephen a pH. Stephen Chung.com.au/downloads.

It’s all free. They can just download it for free. It’s all good. Beautiful. Beautiful.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. I didn’t wanna cut you off because we’re gonna have all the links. We’re gonna have all the links available. If you’re like, well, I don’t have a pen and paper. Just go ahead and check it out at the at our website and wherever you find this podcast.

And thank you so much, Steven, for sharing you art. Just stuff to joy. I really appreciate it.

Stephen Chong
Chris, and it’s been an absolute pleasure. Thank you very much.