Kristin Taylor
Our guest today is John Kelly. Since his Made at 19, he has been involved in psychic, meditation training, healing training, energy system cleansing, and intuitive counsel, as well as healing sessions. Additionally, he’s created 2 free online courses and 18 live instructional Courtney, on awareness development, self healing, active and passive meditation, and energy healing with animals, All of the sessions are available both in person as well as remotely. John’s also been practicing martial arts and doing practice in worldwide. John has also been practicing martial arts since 1981.

He says that it is both his love and his passion to teach others. And all that he has discovered through his many spiritual endeavors and experiences that motivate him. Welcome, John.

John Kelley
Hello.

Kristin Taylor
So nice to have you. So before we get started, because I’m always remiss in doing this, please, to help the channel and get these important messages out to people who could really benefit from during them, I ask that you like, that you I, share a comment, you know, what speaks to you most, what moves you most, that would be fantastic. We get started, you have quite an extraordinary story. So will you just get started with the Made, and then we’ll move into who you are, what you’ve learned, and connecting you to your mission that you want people to understand.

John Kelley
Okay. Well, when I was 19 is when my NDE happened. Before that, I really didn’t have any spiritual understanding at all or any I didn’t even look into Made or have any ideas about that. And, well, my the beginning of my life was pretty wild with a violent family, and that ended up causing me to start taking martial arts when I was a little older. And, like, 13, and My mom divorced my dad at 8, but I I had all these my personality was formed around violence from birth till I was 8 years old.

Basically, being violated by the people you’re supposed to trust, like your parents. And when my mom was like an angel, and my dad was the opposite at the time. And so I was a little wild and but get hearted, but I. And I had about 6 years, I think. Wait.

No. However many years that It, 9 or or no. No. No.

Kristin Taylor
6.

John Kelley
6 years. Yeah. Of training. And I really they’d showed us some energy stuff, but I still didn’t understand it. And then I friends and I decided to go on a trip to Arizona and look for work and 1 of them 1 of my friends had a aunt that lived there in an apartment, but we couldn’t stay there or anything.

And on the way there, the truck broke down a couple I. We didn’t have a lot of money and we fixed the truck and then had gas money. So when we got there, we didn’t really find anything. Any work, at least right away. Later on, we found something for a little while.

And so we didn’t John steal or, you know, in order to be able to eat. And so we went to all these churches and asked for money, and they they all told us to get lost. Actually, especially, well, I won’t say specifics I which churches. And So after a while, we didn’t have anywhere to go, anywhere, any responsibilities, anything. We didn’t have anything pulling on us.

And after a short while, I we just weren’t hungry anymore.

Kristin Taylor
How many days did you go without eating?

John Kelley
I, 2 weeks or so. I think we It John in the 2 week period.

Kristin Taylor
That’s so dangerous.

John Kelley
Well, we just weren’t hungry anymore.

Kristin Taylor
Kelly, that that’s a sign that things are not going well.

John Kelley
Yeah. And so 1 thing that happened is, like, all of us, our Through, was stopped. Like I? Like, 0 thinking. Right.

Being, you know.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
And I then I got this a lot of strange things happen, but I’ll stick to the Made. And so I got this flash out of nowhere while we’re just I. Like, we can go give blood to get money. And and so we looked it up at a phone they had phone booths back in those days. And Mhmm.

But Yep. And we went down there, and it was a place where they took plasma and they put the blood back in your body, but they spun the plasma out. And so we had to sign a form that said we ate Through square meals a day for 7 days in a row. And we were starving. So, of course, we signed it anyway even though we didn’t.

And there was a big rack of bread there. From some bakery, and we just started eating, which puts all your blood beer digestive tract.

Kristin Taylor
You you can’t do that. That’s super dangerous.

John Kelley
Yeah. Kelly

Kristin Taylor
But you were just in survival mode. What did you know? You’re a young kid?

John Kelley
Yeah. And strangely enough, you know how when you’re younger, you have lots of energy. And and so It least yeah. So so it didn’t take long after I got plugged in. It was there’s about 60 bench seats in that place.

There’s 4 rows. And they weren’t all filled. And I was in the middle, you know, and my friend was behind me against the wall. And I don’t know where his brother was. And in there, and it didn’t take long where all of a sudden I felt kind of faint, and I’ve never fainted before.

I don’t know about sense, but so not that I can remember. And so I I I started, like, feeling I knew what was happening. Like, I was gonna faint or something.

Kristin Taylor
Mhmm.

John Kelley
And I started losing, like, Like, you know, and then my head just turned this way. And there’s this guy way over there with a clipboard and and a white coat, and he just looked right up into my eyes and How said, are you okay? Yeah. And I started to shake my head, no. And a whole bunch of stuff happened to A couple of things happened It simultaneously It like, my vision started going away, like, from the center outwards, like a blank TV channel.

I and then I heard the I heard this ripping. I didn’t feel it. I heard it. Like, rip, like Velcro ripping apart. And I exploded out of my body, like, a million miles an hour or whatever that would be.

And and It I felt like I was going like this and this How the last thing I said in in English language was and felt was, I finally free. And and I was flying. And then my body dissolved and everything I knew about this world was gone. And I was this awareness or consciousness traveling, you know, like, at breakneck speed It I had 1 at that point. And then the this freedom burst in the center of my being.

Like, energy being at that point. And and it just was I a sun shining light. It was forever, but it it was really powerful. This feeling of freedom, but it wasn’t overwhelming. It was, like, it was, like, natural.

And then this this feeling of joy, like, just blew off the same way, and it was mixed with the freedom. And I was just It was amazing actually that feeling of joy. I felt it a couple I since then just for a minute or less, which is unfortunate because it felt so good.

Kristin Taylor
Sure. Yeah.

John Kelley
And so So I’m flying It. And all of a sudden, I I just look. I just start looking around at what’s going John. And there I’m in It I, like, these speckles. I I thought it was my I thought that I just looked and was looking and I was this energy, like, reaching, like, this, like, folding on itself, Candid, but traveling.

And and then I I looked in the direction I was going or put my awareness in that direction. Like, I was I guess, I was starting to orient or something. And Accord, I didn’t have any human Through, any normal thing we’d understand here. I was just in this state of being and feeling those feelings of freedom and John. And and then I for some reason, I started looking around to see what was going, you know, I, in and I was just energy and I didn’t think anything of it.

And then when I looked in the direction I was going, I focused on I had a curiosity where am I going, but not in human words. It was just this inner curiosity. And in that moment, everything just stopped. And I was I stopped right below this massive ball. Of energy.

It was I a planet almost or I the moon pushing against I can say this now, but I didn’t understand it then I I I was just everything was just happening. And when I stopped, I got this upload of everything. Of that that is Made, and it and that that me shot a line of energy into this this universe or dimension or both, whatever this is here.

Kristin Taylor
That ball of energy is you? Is that what you’re saying?

John Kelley
Yeah. Like, I was being real back It. Okay. The the part of energy that that massive entity that I am, and I’m sure we’re all that. All of us are entities on a larger level Courtney you know, in I don’t even know what how to word it because I haven’t

Kristin Taylor
Oh, yeah.

John Kelley
Across that. And I don’t have that frame of reference really even to this day. And so It, like, it was pushed against the membrane of this universe. I, I could see It, like, when you push on a balloon.

Kristin Taylor
When you say this universe, do you mean Earth universe I I got lost there?

John Kelley
I don’t even know what see, I was traveling for so long I I was being filled in, that it had injected a portion of its energy all the way into this dimension. And when it wasn’t in this dimension, it was pushed Mhmm. Through it, like nestled into it and shot energy into here. And and then then created this body and the experience of the life. And so the life that I had been living.

And later on, I I just I realized that it was a trigger. To change my direction in my life. But at the time, I I didn’t even I wasn’t even human at that point.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
And and so I got the upload that that’s that that’s that’s me. I’m being reeled back in. I had And then I just saw the flashes of It. There’s, like, a in realization of it all in I 1 movement. And then And then the scene, like, it was weird.

It was I it shifted, and It was somewhere else away from that whole thing. And I was It, like, the void of nothing. There wasn’t even stars there. It’s just pure energy, I guess, or and I guess everything’s energy.

Kristin Taylor
So Was it black? Because oftentimes I hear people say they’re sort of in this, like, velvety black softness, and it’s just nothingness, but so peaceful.

John Kelley
Well, it is just black. Like, the night sky with no stars. And I could see the outline. I didn’t know what it was. I didn’t think about it.

I didn’t try to understand it. I just could see the outline sideways of my body. And and it wasn’t I body like you would see it right now. It was like an energy I. And part of my awareness was in there.

Kinda like in a dream where you’re looking at yourself from outside and inside. Yeah. You’re in the body and you’re watching from outside.

Kristin Taylor
Right.

John Kelley
And but I was mostly out.

Kristin Taylor
Like an out of body experience where you can kinda look, but you’re looking out I an ethereal energetic body, not a physical body.

John Kelley
Yeah. Well, this was odd because it didn’t look like a body. And it just was an I, like a I a light

Kristin Taylor
Okay.

John Kelley
Outline. And and there It these huge waves of energy going through the body like really hard, like like a burst of I. Like, really And and the body was go I was eat partially in It, my awareness or consciousness. And it was inflating from and it was going straight through the body Right. That ditched out the front.

And And then I don’t even remember if it was 2 or Through times, but 1 of those bursts of energy pulled my whole awareness into the body. And then into that energy thing form that I later It, I I when I thought about it, it was the outline of this body. And I the energy blueprint or something Mhmm. Mhmm. And so So my whole awareness came into the body, and then that stopped I I heard something.

I, way over there somewhere John and over. And my curiosity tuned into It, and I traveled, like, from here to here, but how do you do that? Like, balloon. And and and It was there and closer to the noise. And then I I could hear this noise in a different way.

It was I echoing. It was coming and entering, like, echoing out. And I was curious again, and when I I I transferred towards the noise, I was in this felt like a tunnel that was full of fog, like a white fog. And I was just all sudden I’m traveling, I feel I didn’t now that I think of it talking with you. I don’t remember seeing my body.

Like, because I I went into the body, and then then I transferred towards the sound, and then I was floating. Through this tunnel. And with no thoughts just experiencing

Kristin Taylor
Totally present. No fear. No thoughts. Just

John Kelley
Yeah. Just

Kristin Taylor
Absolutely. 1 with this experience.

John Kelley
Yeah. I wasn’t even confused or curious or anything. I was floating to you to do. And It

Kristin Taylor
kinda nice. Yeah.

John Kelley
And then I hit Okay. I hit I I ran into my let my right leg. In this world, in this dimension or world. But there, it was just white fog. And so So I, like, hit my leg somehow.

Like, another dimension in that dimension, it was crossed. Or, like, overlapped or something?

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. They sort of intersected in some way.

John Kelley
Yeah. And so, boom. Now, I still wanting to know who is directing this whole thing. Which was probably the big ball that was pushed in. But I haven’t received the upload yet.

I haven’t asked, actually. I just thought It just How. Like, I’d really like to know.

Kristin Taylor
You should ask and let let us know.

John Kelley
Yeah. So so I So I ran into my leg, which I didn’t see or know. But when when I hit it, I was aware of the whole body. Here. And I could feel everything and I could sense other beings around I couldn’t see any

Kristin Taylor
Sentient beans or energetic beans on the other side.

John Kelley
We’re in the room.

Kristin Taylor
The actual room.

John Kelley
Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Not actual. But our reality room.

John Kelley
Yeah. That that like, there was a lot of people around.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
And but I didn’t know that yet. All I did was I felt my body and then whatever part of me that was run on the show, like directing this whole experience, It allowed me to feel a couple things. And first of all, I felt like I was releasing all my urine. Then I felt those people. That’s when I felt the people.

And then I felt embarrassment. And that that’s all. I didn’t even know anything yet. But but it, like, twang to those streams I I’m in a guitar, and that caused me to launch into my body. And to clamp down.

I I would stop so that I wouldn’t be embarrassed, but it was way too late. I I found out later. And and at that moment, it was just a burst. And then someone, whoever was there, they attend the person Attendant or the I

Kristin Taylor
Attendant. Yeah. Push me again. Phlebotomist? Yeah.

Phlebotomist. Phlebotomist. It important to know these little things.

John Kelley
How pushed me against pushed me down on the reclining bench chair thing. And I did Oh, that’s right. I said something. I said, did I pee my pants? I I was wearing shorts and a button up shirt.

It was a 120 degrees outside It from this number. And Through. And he said, no. It this earth slap in my face. Bang.

Bang.

Kristin Taylor
It have been a lovely awakening for you.

John Kelley
Well, I wasn’t awake yet.

Kristin Taylor
Kelly, I know How wants you too, but here you are. He’s

John Kelley
John this.

Kristin Taylor
I blissful place and suddenly it’s I, now I’ve beat my pants. Potentially, and I’m getting smacked. Which place would I rather be?

John Kelley
It gives a whole new meaning to the word awakening.

Kristin Taylor
Yes. Okay. So he knows that he needs to get you back because you’re in medical peril.

John Kelley
Yeah. And well, I side note, I didn’t find out for 20 years that they had shocked my heart Through times.

Kristin Taylor
So your heart stopped?

John Kelley
Yeah. I didn’t even know because I didn’t tell anyone about it Kelly. And I I did a lot of research, and I started training, and I got all involved in other things. And but I researched the heck out of it and turned about NDEs that that you know, after that happened. And back then, I don’t even know if there was the Internet yet.

I think it was it was 1987.

Kristin Taylor
No. Yeah. No.

John Kelley
No. 6 or 7. Yeah. And So later on, I invited him over to Orcus Island where I was living. And we were talking about that, and he says, yeah, after they shocked your heart Through times.

And I was like, I didn’t even know. It that whole time. And so

Kristin Taylor
You had clinically your body had died.

John Kelley
Or my heart stopped,

Kristin Taylor
you

John Kelley
know, like, if that means you I. Oh, and I launched so, I guess so. Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you’re he’s slapping you silly to get you revived. Right?

Okay. And then you come to

John Kelley
Kelly, he says, what’s your name? Yeah. I was, like, a blank Yeah. Clone or something. You know, like, with drone.

Yeah. I was I, like, And I didn’t have anything booted back up yet, and but then I got this flash of It. I went right to the center of my body. Like, a little just shot Through, and and I I focused John, and I stopped, and my head from rocking It focused and I focused to give him what he was asking for, like, the an answer and just focused and this piece of energy appeared on this I. And just it was, like, white opaque, and it just plugged in right here into this hemisphere to tip.

So

Kristin Taylor
Fascinating.

John Kelley
Yeah. And then boom, I had the answer. And so I said and then he started cracking me again and put a smelling salt under my nose. Okay. And he’s like, Where are you?

Bam. Bam. And, I mean, those guys, you know, that was a little rough if you asked me.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
And strangely enough, I didn’t feel It. So I must have really not been back all the way. I just was my head I

Kristin Taylor
mean, it sounds like he I mean, he was in absolute terror that you were going to die on his watch, and he was doing anything to try to wake you up and get you back into your body. Yeah. So maybe it wasn’t so, you know, over I was gonna say overkill. That’s not the right word.

John Kelley
There is a few people standing there of those those guys. And he but he was the 1 cracking me or, you know, slap It the heck at him. And so the same thing happened. I got a a a flash of irritation went through Mhmm. Just shot through my system.

And I stopped and focused on them again, to answer them, and then another piece of energy appeared in the air. And this 1 was smaller, and it had this swirling darker energy, like a a not really a color, just going through It, and it appeared and plugged in. And now I had I was completely rebooted. I had all of my life experience, you know, online.

Kristin Taylor
Like, we It just makes us feel like we are, like, computers. Spiritual computers.

John Kelley
The I think yeah. That it really opens up a lot of questions because I haven’t found anywhere about those things. They’re about the energy programs, the the combination of our life and how it’s stored. And I haven’t I still haven’t ran into that. It all the research.

Kristin Taylor
Well, what have you and I wanna go John. Sorry. You just got my curiosity going. Well, what about the akashic records and your spirit guides?

John Kelley
I didn’t see anybody. And

Kristin Taylor
But my scientist.

John Kelley
Sick ball. You know?

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Well, I and I this is obviously I don’t know. I’m just curious, but they’re cautious records that is the library of what is Ben, what will be, what is every record, every human occurrence incident Through. And if there are spiritual guides being something, it sounds like they perhaps they were downloading you back to you?

John Kelley
Well, I it felt later on after all the training and practice. I realized that when we focus, we’re we’re summoning something. We focus and generate feeling. And there’s a we have a whole we’re a whole being, and this part of us plays a specific role. And our role is to assess and focus and feel.

And that’s the alignment process the deeper part of us that knows all things and that can never be separate from the full blown ocean of life It. And that operates on that level. It it’s the the part of us that lines the energy up, that moves the energy when we How the focus. And so my thought was It when I focused to answer that part of me Through

Kristin Taylor
it Diamond.

John Kelley
Which causes me to think, which I don’t know fully, but that upon leaving that it since that being is me, growing itself as me in this world, then it popped loose and stored the programs. I the experience itself, the living experience.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

John Kelley
And that it’s beyond that and much more than that, and that this was a tiny little endeavor compared to the size of It. The beings that I assuming that were all massive eternal entities. And and that this is a a momentary I get the word training, actually. For some reason. It just popped in.

And and so an experiential endeavor. And I don’t I think everything is brand new. Like, nothing ever. If you look, nothing nothing is duplicated exactly the same twice like a blade of grass or a leaf. I, everything is unique.

And so so there’s no cookie cutter version of what you can experience here in this world.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. It’s like a fingerprint. So we all are part of this consciousness, but all in a unique sort of way. So you come back and because I mean, we could talk for hours. I’m gonna fast forward us a little bit, and I don’t know where that is on your I, but what I’m curious about It, obviously, this has changed you.

And here you are this person that came from a violent upbringing, no consciousness or awareness or even curiosity Kelly about spirituality. You’ve got this huge NDE experience as you start to move forward. And I know that you started pursuing Kelly, adamantly, you started pursuing what happened to Made. You got connect with with some spiritual communities, and you started to get connected with your own intuition, your own understanding of energy work, being able to channel these healing abilities, these intuitive abilities, can you take us there?

John Kelley
So It that point, I knew that we had some kind of power because of the martial art training and watching demonstrations from people who are veterans or masters, like things that are supernatural, then they’re beyond normal. Like bending the bar on your throat and shattering arrows on the hollow of your Through. 7 at a time. And then we tried to bend the rebar back, and we couldn’t do it. And so there’s things back when I was younger, I got to experience that.

And so I instinctively knew that there’s a power that we all have. I just didn’t know how to access it. And and but they did.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. That’s kinda where I am. You know? I’m like, I believe this is so true. I just don’t know how to do it.

John Kelley
Right. And so I was on the hunt, and I was pretty intense, you know, person. I guess I still am. But not the same as then. And I Made the energy of youth behind me then.

Kristin Taylor
Mhmm.

John Kelley
And I would I would ask every single person I crossed paths with. In some way, I would lead him in conversation to find out if they had any special knowledge or training. And I came up empty handed until about 14 I think it was 14 months later, and it was a friend of my friends that came I, and I I started I started depth charging I. I call it with leading questions to find out. And he he told Made, that he had he was training.

And well, it it was another story, but but I’ll make it short. And he I jumped him. I was like, where? Who are they? What is it?

What do you know? You know? And he’s like, woah. Calm down. You know?

And and then How was talking to my friend, but he wrote down this address, and he handed it to me. And he says, this is where I trained. He says, don’t tell him I sent you. Because that was so intense. Right?

Kristin Taylor
You don’t wanna be affiliated with you? Yeah.

John Kelley
He’s like, I I don’t wanna be responsible. John happen. Right? I guess I I don’t know. And so I went there.

It was I And It so, it was the Washington I Institute, and they actually shut down all their branches except for the main 1 in Everett, Washington. And they changed their name since then. It’s been a long I, and so a lot’s happened. And since then. And so so I started first, I would go there and get readings, psychic readings because they taught Claire Voyant all the way up to the counseling level.

Like, it took 2 years in that program to clearvoyant training or, like, real training And in order to get there, you Made to go through meditation 1, meditation 2. These are 8 week courses where you you come in and and it’s not talking. It a direct hands on and working, you know, practicing on each other or or in your own system. And and what you experience is your teaching. It it it is that’s because everyone’s different and unique.

And so so instead of leading you with description, they would just walk you through the techniques. And that was your answer. And it was something

Kristin Taylor
You have to practice it. I mean, it’s 1 thing for them to talk about something. It’s another apocalyptic experience. Yeah.

John Kelley
Our job was to go home and practice for a week and then to come back. And then we practice we talk about what we experience. We practice together. And then they’d add more techniques. And then we’d practice them individually and between each other, and then we practice for another whole week in our personal lives, and we were supposed to meditate every day for at least a half an hour.

And, like, to run energy through our systems and clear our systems out and just to, you know, you know, you know, start managing our energy systems.

Kristin Taylor
Well, yeah. I imagine It, like, learning how to play an instrument. It’s the instrument of the energy management. And I’m also imagining because of your NDE, you have an accessibility It addition to the drive to understand this that amplified this capacity It that true?

John Kelley
Well, I it was a combination of my super intense energy and focus and my drive to understand. And that that I would to understand came from having experienced myself as a the being, it felt when I look back on it, it felt like the being I have always been.

Kristin Taylor
Yes.

John Kelley
And never knew I was while I was here.

Kristin Taylor
Yes.

John Kelley
So it was a real conundrum when I came back, and now I’m John again. And but I know that I’m this energy being also. And so I Made to know the truth. Yes.

Kristin Taylor
And

John Kelley
so Fortunately, I found the the place that lined up with me was the best 1 I could come across. First,

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
It was very thorough and detailed and deep. I, every level you can imagine, all the way to come the communication between the deeper part of you and this part of it, which is you. And It pretty interesting. And so we learn we learned how to manage our own systems and how to ground to the planet and how to how to how to How to clean out rooms I, that or places you’re going, I, the whole building, like, ground it and bring it up to a high gold frequency so that Kelly, like, higher frequency energies were present I creating a safe place as you before you even enter. And it was really interesting stuff.

And there It also earth energy work that that was just part of It. I, around ourselves, and we were required to run our energy for 20 minutes before we could open our mouths and communicate with someone else there. So we come in off the street. We’d have to let go of our day and then ground ourselves Through room, the building, the property, and then I blocks around and bring it up to a high gold. And that’s what started my earth energy work, understanding, and is is having to do that protocol.

And and they always told me it was I kindergarten and that we were supposed to outgrow those techniques and expand beyond them. And which is inevitable. Because once you make contact with the part of you that has always been your teacher, I, no matter who shows you something, you, through your own inner intelligence, focus your system in I. Mhmm. And so Kelly we’re teaching ourselves.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
We could have we can feel gratitude for someone sharing the shortcuts, basically, or help dial us in.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
And the truth is we’re all our own teachers. Kelly?

Kristin Taylor
So that feels like a very important segue. As someone is listening, someone is watching, and they’re interested in becoming their own teacher, and managing their own energy field, and understanding the benefits of it. Let’s start there. I John start with benefits of it. And then I wanna start with, you know, you went through this very intensive process.

So the expectation in this short interview is that maybe there’s a little nugget here or there, something that sparks awareness or curiosity. But what is the It? And why is it so important?

John Kelley
Well, For humans, everything unless unless you do the work and you adjust your perception, everything is 2 things. It what you think it is, and it’s what it really is outside of your consideration. And so and then you can turn around and look at your own self in the mirror. And when we’re at that place, it’s the same for us. We are what we really are.

And we are what we think we are also. And that’s our primary experience. It’s really what we really are that makes possible to believe we’re something we aren’t.

Kristin Taylor
Isn’t that? Say that again. I think that is so important. Say that again.

John Kelley
So it’s what we really are that makes it possible to believe we are something we aren’t. I, I call it the mistaken identity.

Kristin Taylor
I think that is so important. I’ve heard people talk about being asleep. There’s a part of us that is awake, but we’re believing this dream we’re having when we’re asleep as the real reality, when it’s not.

John Kelley
It it isn’t. It’s not primary. It’s the primary that holds everything into position so that this is possible. And yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. And so and the the reason for this design

John Kelley
Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
You use the word training earlier. Is to have this experience to receive training, but I’m also hearing you say that once you sort of wake up, those 2 realities, what we think it is, and what it is. Mhmm. It’s like the bubble has been burst and we can see things for what they actually are and recognize that 3rd of the trappings of our own suffering, our own It, don’t have to feel you know, impenetrable.

John Kelley
I understand. Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Is that true?

John Kelley
Yeah. And, see, 1 way, my inner deeper self showed me that because I worked for about 20 years straight trying to undeprogram my system, and I didn’t think there it was ever gonna end. I I got really frustrated. And I said, It there any end?

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
And then I finally asked after all that time. And and it showed me in 1 burst that since I didn’t reference my true nature from the beginning, as I built the structure of this personality It every single thing that I had discovered in Kelly How as true is not accurate.

Kristin Taylor
And talk about these stabilizing.

John Kelley
Yeah. I, actually, I felt the relief because then I don’t have to work on each thing individual. Maybe I could just Just release it all.

Kristin Taylor
Release it all. I I wanna slow you down because you said something really important then. You said I asked and it said, who, what is it?

John Kelley
It is the source being, the the the permanent us that’s beyond this permanently. Like, we can’t really be all the way here. Like, it’s like a it’s sort of like a hologram where the hole is within the part. And Yeah. And Yeah.

We but we can we can elicit We can change we can have a conversation with that part of ourself and change the communication level.

Kristin Taylor
That’s what I’m interested in. So that I mean, I’m interested in it all. But that feels really important that How do you elicit a conversation? Is it through deep medication? Not that.

John Kelley
Pretty similar.

Kristin Taylor
Meditation so that you learn how to ask a question and receive.

John Kelley
Uh-huh.

Kristin Taylor
Is that correct or am I off?

John Kelley
Kelly, see, there’s already a hard line embedded way that the the communication is there. Already.

Kristin Taylor
Okay.

John Kelley
And we’re after is to recognize what is already in operation within us.

Kristin Taylor
Oh, dude.

John Kelley
Instead of going to Tibet and sitting in the cave for 40 years, what we’re really after is to is to discover what is already. That that that is unconscious to us presently. And so when we become aware of that, How we’re our we’ve expanded our conscious awareness to include that. And in the inclusion, we now can operate It. Consciously this automatic pro this automatic process.

And so Of course, we have at that point, we’re gonna have the guidance of the part of us that holds the whole thing together. And see, the the baseline communication is You we run the show here. We assess and choose and focus. This is our position here. The deeper part of us, we’re given It instructions to line up what we hold as true.

So it’s a full conformational loop. And it’s seamless. And so we can experience the reality that we’re supposed to see, this system is made for us to be fully conscious of what we are and how it works. And but because we’re not, we’re pushing buttons and pulling levers. We have no idea what we’re doing with our operating system.

And things happen 1 way, whether it feels good or doesn’t feel good, there’s a base formula to how this system, this design works. And it functions as the word that just popped into my head. See, I I constantly get corrected, but I asked for that. I said, show me where I’m off, show me what the truth there’s I I’m off, and show me what the truth is in 1 flash. That was the rearrangement I made with myself, the deeper part of me that delivers the information.

Normally, it will wait for you to stop thinking and insert the information in between focuses because it’s respecting that you are the 1 that chooses here, you have we have free will. And until you re until you arrange it differently, that that it It will just insert. You see, on that level, it’s pure positive. And It evolution and it’s growing itself as us here, this level of our own being. And so it’s like a good be a loving parent that will hold you and help you until you can stand on your own.

Standing on your own is becoming self aware. And and aware of the relation the primary relationship, which is between this level of your being and the core level of your being. That this level springs from. And it sound it might sound complicated or or whatever, but it’s actually very simple.

Kristin Taylor
It actually doesn’t sound complicated.

John Kelley
Oh, okay.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. I mean, I think it could sound complicated, but actually this if I could say back, The simplicity of it is this, it’s almost like when you go back to your not almost, but it is. If you go back to your ND and that energy field, that kind of shot through you when you were moving up again, and then you had sort of the downloads, I, that is the truth of who you are. And we’ve made agreements to come here in these little avatars or hologram or I

John Kelley
Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Having forgotten that that is who we are.

John Kelley
Right.

Kristin Taylor
And we’ve got different levers and pulleys and buttons that we can push, and we don’t remember. So we’re pushing and pulling the all all the wrong ones and we’re forgetting. But it’s by design, but if we learn or have as you have devoted your life to learning how to access the real part of yourself. That is the work to I. That is the real self.

This is more of the illusion. That’s what I’m hearing you say.

John Kelley
Yeah. And 1 way that I put it is It really important that we discover our place in the multidimensional being that we are and in the creation process, even more so. Because what we’ve when we focus, we isolate frequency, and if we focus consistently, it becomes our reality. And the part of us that is all knowing is the 1 that lines up the energy that does the maneuvering. And so like in the Christian I, it says, Jesus said, I don’t do these works.

My father does them through me. And that with no matter if that’s a distorted translation or not, the fact is is it’s true. That we can’t micromanage a multidimensional reality when we don’t even know how we breathe. Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Or or we don’t even know there is a multidimensional reality. Yeah. So the first thing is the awareness that there is a multidimensional reality.

John Kelley
Right.

Kristin Taylor
It How speed up?

John Kelley
And we are multidimensional.

Kristin Taylor
So we are multidimensional. Good correction. Okay. Gosh. I can’t believe the time is Yes.

John Kelley
Actually.

Kristin Taylor
Both It the same I. Yeah. Yes. Okay. And so Yeah.

Because time is running short. I’m hearing 1 of the main takeaways is that we are both part of and a multidimensional reality. And to recognize that It so pivotal, I’m also hearing becoming I. And learning to meditate. Tell us a little bit more about the work you do.

I that’s where I started. With your intro, and you do a lot of work, healing modalities, light, meditation, Made, and I don’t have it in front of Made, and I took my glasses off. So Tell us some of the work that you do and why it’s beneficial and how people can find you if they feel the niche to connect with you.

John Kelley
Kelly, everything I do is with others I do with my own system. I, that’s why I’m able to extend it and include someone else in it and and work the the energies with their system also. And what it is is we have this whole operating system, and it was created by the deeper part of us. In the very beginning, it’s coded. Like a chakra is It in a living information vortex.

Mhmm. And it’s not as just a spinning wheel. Like, that’s what that means in Sanskrit. There’s It and what happens is when we forget our nature, we overlay on top of the original coding, when we John the collective agreements and we believe that we’re a male or a female or and we come to know ourselves through all the collective agreements of what we are here as a biological being. We overlay over the original code that program.

And since we’re the 1 running the show here and driving the ship and holding the focus, then that is allowed because we are the 1. And so we were the focuser. And so we we recode it. Now when you do a energy clearing, there’s a cyst we have a specific system I, and it it’s made to function specifically, but it’s made in a way that it can function in any way. It’s open ended.

But there is a baseline primary structure, and this structure is energetic. It the base structure is energy, and there’s channels there’s energy centers, and there’s layers to the system. And what happens is because we’ve forgotten who we are and we don’t even know how to operate our own system. I, in or we’re not aware of It, so we can’t manage it. We don’t know how.

And so, like, we we manage our body though. We take a shower. And, you know, we clean it. We feed it. We do everything.

That it needs and that there’s also a level where that’s needed also. And so we carry with this all the identity levels of the key points in our I, there are layers in our system. We carry old relationships that are still connected See, our system is created to run our own personal frequency in it. It’s for our own I. As a as a energy or spiritual being.

And females are a little different. They have machinery energetic machinery to house another being in their system for a short while. And but but this system energy is information. And when that information has a being behind it, there is a volition to that information. And so as we grow up biologically and through this way that we’ve been taught to think, everyone outside of us puts living programs into our system.

In here, into our system I look both ways before you cross the street, and most of them are well meaning. But there comes a point I in the aboriginal cultures where there’s a rite of passage where you become your own being. And in that rite of passage, 12 or 13 years old, we are supposed to reassess everything that we’ve been all those programs people have placed well meaningfully into our system to keep us safe and and and functioning It alignment with society and the family and ourselves and and we’re supposed to reconsider all of that. And if it is a program that we John keep, it’s functional, it matches our nature. This that’s the key.

It feels good. That’s how you know it matches your nature. And we wanna move that other person’s energy out and be the author of that program. So their volition is not from a whole another being’s volition is not implanted in your energy space. And so we get all mixed up.

With each other’s energy. And so 1 thing my partner and I do is we’ll separate out from each other’s energy John we probably should do it even more because sometimes we get lost in our day and we forget. And so after you interact with people like us right now, we’re blending energies, and and energy is information. And so there’s a there’s shifts and upgrades that happen, but then we need to separate out.

Kristin Taylor
Kinda clear it.

John Kelley
Clear it all out. And so the energy clearing is is flushing the system.

Kristin Taylor
I love that.

John Kelley
With It using neutral healing energies I like the universal high frequency energy of your own nature. And and also the earth energy that your body’s made of. And and so, like, using those 2 energies I the the higher frequency that matches the the energy being you are and the the other frequency level that matches the I that you are here. And using that to flush the channels out and to to flush out the It living information vortexes of all the water that’s built up in there and stored and

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Clogging almost Courtney of clogging.

John Kelley
Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. And the the benefit of that is then you are most closely aligned with this energetic dimensional system that is you because you don’t have all of these other systems implanted that are clogging up that

John Kelley
Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Direct connection. Clarity.

John Kelley
Yes. And it also allows you to hear your own voice, the deeper voice within you, which It intuition, insight, realization comprehension knowing, direct knowing.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
Yes. This is the inner voice speaking I mean, like, when we focus, it informs us. And if well and also, see I gotta back up a little or go back to what the clearing does It when you’re running energy through the centers and you I, light basically, and you flush it out and, like, focus It, turn it up like a dimmer switch and flush it out. See, we’re always processing something John all the different levels or layers or multidimensional layers, you can call It, like, you know, on every level, we’re we’re we’re in a process at all times. Yeah.

And but if we’re carrying the clutter of our whole life in our them than that.

Kristin Taylor
Well, it’s other peoples because they’ve merged and blended and yeah.

John Kelley
Right? And and and also their volition will will start popping their answer in up in your system. And that may or may not match your nature.

Kristin Taylor
It could even I mean, I imagine it could be harmful.

John Kelley
Yeah. Or just creates a conflict.

Kristin Taylor
Create a conflict. Yeah. Gosh. We could talk forever because this number, you know, I think about disease and healing, emotionally, physically, and spiritually, you know, it can then be I into the body.

John Kelley
Right. It’s reflected. Everything reflects against it. And if you hold it consistently, then it becomes a a baseline in your system.

Kristin Taylor
I, that’s your homeostasis. That’s your new Right. I. This is fascinating. This is really good.

John Kelley
So that I learned how to how to tune the energy to go beyond linear I it was more of a discovery than learning. I was shown at first, but then you discover the reality of it. And so I could even give a remote energy session to someone who is sitting right here in the same room and looking the other direction. To to to I would do that most mostly to show them how it works. I like, remote, you know, if you’re not me, then it’s remote even if you’re right in front of me.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
That’s It. It’s hands on.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
Like, I’m right up there and then, you know, working directly with your centers and your channels. And So so I’ve had people from everywhere I Spain and Saudi Arabia and and what I do is I when someone hires me to help clear their system or to give them a full blown clearing It I call them and talk with them. About, you know, touch base and where they’re at, what what’s going on, and what they want help with. And then we’ll hang up and I will do the full well, I I need it. I don’t need it, but I prefer to have them click a picture for me.

I I can look at the picture and, like, dial It to their true energy. And then I’ll set it over there. And if I lose my focus, I’ll just glance at It, and it takes about 3 clearances and I have the energy permanently I, and I don’t even need the picture anymore. And and but I I was trained how to do it without looking at a picture. But I did find that that helps.

And that’s when I got deal with so many people to to be able to redial in if lose my Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Index on them. So what what do people report as the benefits? What do they experience?

John Kelley
All kinds of stuff. I I’ve Made And will I do pets too or, like, animals? And so and babies even and depending, And the the least report was I felt a tingle. You see

Kristin Taylor
That’s on a small spectrum.

John Kelley
What I want is when we talk, and then that person needs to have an hour freed up and uninterrupted. And just to be at peace and or just to be sitting there and It they meditate meditate or whatever, but to feel their system. While it’s in process Mhmm. So that they can discover they feel It. You know?

Because I wanna touch base with them about that and what I discovered. What I ran into, what I did. And so there’s the clearing, and then there’s the phone call afterwards. And touching base on that on that level. Like, what did you feel as first thing I asked?

I’m always interested because it’s always different. And then and then I show them some things I may not say, but because, see, we’re the 1 who runs the system. And when we focus on something, it triggers the system into alignment with what you’re focusing on. And so if I bring up some of the things that were removed or flushed out of the system

Kristin Taylor
Could sort of reignite them.

John Kelley
Yeah. They would It they would reactivate it in their system.

Kristin Taylor
Activate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

John Kelley
Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. So at the least I they experienced tingling It the most, what do they experience.

John Kelley
I had to lay down because there’s so much energy rushing through my body, or I have on my website a a really amazing actually video this lady made. Her name is Kimberly, and she has her own channel. And she wanted to interview Made, and I wanted her to reference the energy healing. And so I asked her if I could give her a clearing first before the interview. I I so much wanted her to feel it that I really did a thorough John.

And she was a high high It, pretty high light being anyway. And she had the most amazing experience. And I can’t guarantee that that will happen with any punny. Yeah. Like, she was, like, seeing in the dark and hearing through the walls, the the wind going by slowly, and she thought that she left the windows open.

And and she was like, what’s going on? And she touched her computer, and it short circuited this screen. And then she, like and she says she felt all this energy coming through her, like like, she could run 4 marathons. And and just before bed, and you could tell like, you know about that. Like I, could

Kristin Taylor
I Big timing?

John Kelley
Yeah. Bad timing. And Oh. That That’s the only person that’s ever had that much of an issue.

Kristin Taylor
But that’s the potential for it. So you do so much with people in terms of their energy healing in terms of teaching meditation. You have online free courses. You have instructional courses that you can give as well. How do people reach you?

John Kelley
Just go to my website

Kristin Taylor
and Cheers.

John Kelley
It’s cadomm.com. It’s spelled khadham And that’s a word that means to be of spiritual service in all the ancient languages. I actually wanted to get away from that word, but it was too late. I already started using it. And so, you know, if you misspell it, it won’t go there.

You know?

Kristin Taylor
Okay. So the spelling really matters. Say it again.

John Kelley
K h a d h a m. Couldn’t.

Kristin Taylor
D h a n. Okay.

John Kelley
Dot com.

Kristin Taylor
This has been fascinating. Is it I didn’t mean to cut you off. Is there something else you wanted to say?

John Kelley
Well, in the cut on the cut, It you go to the contact page, it will have the YouTube link. And I have 11 videos Kelly quick training videos John breathing the universe and separating out other people’s energy from your space, communicating with the part of loved ones,

Kristin Taylor
Wow.

John Kelley
It another specialty in class?

Kristin Taylor
Oh, I’m so going there. That sounds like a I. I’m so glad I asked you

John Kelley
to Just

Kristin Taylor
get back to you. Set up. I so good. This It amazing. You are extraordinary.

Thank you so much for being our guest.

John Kelley
You’re welcome. And nice to meet you. You’re a really good host.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

John Kelley
It’s a perfect question.

Kristin Taylor
I appreciate it so much. Thank you, John.

John Kelley
And, also, I’d like to say that my my Courtney, Holly, she she does emotion Made. She does energy work also in sound healing, and and we do dual sessions, which isn’t on the website yet. And her website is unityharmonics.com.

Kristin Taylor
Okay.

John Kelley
And she’s an amazing being. And Mhmm. I, and we’re cross training right How. We’re in this big process of discovering how to work together with 2 solo people, you know, working together and blending doing joint heal healing work.

Kristin Taylor
Extraordinary. Extraordinary.

John Kelley
We live in It the Olympic Peninsula area around I. Washington? Well, I’m

Kristin Taylor
down in Olympia.

John Kelley
Oh, really? You’re not too surprised.

Kristin Taylor
No. I’m not. I’m not. So let’s let’s let’s end here.

John Kelley
Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
And thank you so much, and let’s continue the conversation a little bit.

John Kelley
Okay. Ollie It here.