Kristin Taylor
Reverend Bill McDonald is on a mission to teach the power of love and forgiveness. His life has been a spiritual journey spanning slightly over 7 Made. His whole life has been a mystical trip in search of gurus, the paranormal, and self discovery. He has written about his many spiritual transforming experiences and near death experiences, including supernatural events during his combat tour of duty in Vietnam. Now, Bill has such a bigger intro that I could read, that I could be here for the next 20 minutes reading his intro, but I intentionally kept it short.

Because I’d rather have more of him and less than me. So we were talking, and, yes, near death experiences are really important. I wanna about your near death experiences, Bill, and welcome. Welcome. Welcome.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Thank you for having me. But I

Kristin Taylor
also wanna make sure that we’re spending a good amount of time talking about your wisdom and your mission and what you really want people to hear from this that you feel will be most supportive.

Rev. Bill McDonald
I thought I’ve actually given us some thought because this year, Of course, I’m not you don’t have to be psychic to look at 2024 and see, Israel, the Gaza, you get you know, Ukraine, Russia, Trump I. I mean, there’s just so many forces going. The energy It just clashing. That I’m trying to get people this year. To focus on self change I focusing on their own self love, changing their frequency, their vibration, I really do believe that when you change yourself, you’ve added some change to the world.

Now depending on your frequency I. In other words, the energy in you will determine how much influence it change it can make in the world, but I really believe there’s some great souls out there, whether they’re living in a cave in Himalayas or they’re living in an apartment in Manhattan, doesn’t make any difference. There are great souls out. There. Men and women who are at such a high level of frequency that when they meditate and when they pray and when they sin love, It changes world history.

And, well, the great ones, Jesus. Buddha, I mean, when they came in, their energy changed for centuries, what we’re going through now. So I really believe this year, I’m trying to teach people, don’t focus on all that you see. Yeah. Don’t focus on cable television.

Don’t don’t don’t don’t read that newspapers It they’re already left in your town. Just focus on what you can change, and that really narrows down to this. It could change you.

Kristin Taylor
Bill, I love that da da. And some people are saying I trying. I’m trying. I don’t know what you mean. Raise my vibration, change my energy.

Some people have amazing energy, which is healing that they can send love to people. We know that there are so many different ways. To change ourselves, to become more spiritually awakened, connected more to love and fear, What are some of the ways you support people?

Rev. Bill McDonald
Well, first off, you can’t become a high frequency person. It your own life, the life that you live in this world that you think is real. If you’re not living a I, and it’s ethical, moral, peaceful, and loving. In other words, you can meditate all you want 30, 40, 50 years of meditation, but you got anger and Made, and you and you don’t have that self love and self focus And when I say that, I’m not talking about a egotistical self love. I’m talking about a self love that realizes that you and your creator are 1.

When you’re loving you, you’re loving your creator. And when you’re loving you and the creator, since we’re all 1, then I’m loving you. I’m loving me. I’m loving all and including my enemies. So the real message is in the reality of all, there are no enemies.

There are teachers. But they’re known enemies. There’s people that I would say don’t hang around them. You know, they’re not good for you, but my my first rule I always tell people when when doing a workshop. I says, Bill rule number 1.

You gotta love everybody. Riverbills rule number 2. You don’t have to like everybody because there’s a difference.

Kristin Taylor
Exactly.

Rev. Bill McDonald
So it’s all on love. And love is the greatest frequency.

Kristin Taylor
Yes. Yes. And I love that you mentioned that it starts with self love and that it isn’t egotistical, but it is truly the most spiritual practice and commitment you can make is to learn to love yourself. It’s taken me a long time to understand that, but it is profound.

Rev. Bill McDonald
It when I when I It counsel anybody, which is everyday somebody’s I’m talking So, but you’re talking to me. I’m talking to you. I I’ve counseled people all the time whether they know it or not. Self love is indicative of of spiritual, emotional, mental health. It if you if you don’t love you and you don’t forgive you, which is amazing to me.

I It some very spiritual I people. You know? Very loving people, but they can’t forgive themselves. You know, I had an abortion. I can’t forgive myself.

I yelled at my kid, I I I was in the war. Whatever it is that they can’t forgive themselves for.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
And I’m going, let’s think about this. God can forgive you. Yeah. God can forgive Made. But you’re better than God.

You can’t forgive you. Right. So

Kristin Taylor
total reframe there.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Yeah. Yeah.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. It

Rev. Bill McDonald
hard not to give themselves.

Kristin Taylor
Oh, big time. Big time. So before I wanna continue with this, but people who don’t know who you are. And again, I gave just a snippet. What informs this very segacious outlook?

How did you arrive at where you are in terms of being someone that people turned to for emotional, psychological, spiritual guidance?

Rev. Bill McDonald
And and I don’t wanna step on any toes because there’s a lot of people advertising themselves out there as I never seen so many people I as life counselors. Everybody’s a life counselor and to a

Kristin Taylor
I coach.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Yeah. Everybody. Right? Mhmm. I don’t advertise that.

I I don’t push that. It’s I, to me, you start life off, and and you should be meditating. You should be praying. You should be serving, you should be loving. These are the basic building blocks to reach that point.

And I start off, I can’t remember what I didn’t meditate, so when I was It front of the crew, I’m kinda going out of it. But as it’s toddler, I was I was meditating and and and I had I had 2 brothers died who were infants, and and we had ghosts in the house and had a I had a alien UFO induction Courtney with my sisters. I was involved in having people tell me they were seeing me in different places, you know, when I sleeping and I was counseling people, and I was meeting people my my entire life. Of course, then I was sick and dying and had my first near death experience at 8 and a half years old, and I spent 1 year in the hospital. Wow.

And just as a side note, because you say where the basis of this comes from? A lot of people would look 1 year in a hospital, a county hospital with no no visitors 1 time a week, like 10 minutes, 15 minutes. That’s it. No television, no phone, no no no computers back then. No no no playing cards, no coloring books, no toys, Not another.

You get up at 6 in the morning. They put you to sleep at night at night and for an 8 and a half year old kid. That that could have been a a real bad thing. I had nothing to do all day long. To me, it was the greatest thing ever happened.

Of course, I had a near death experience the 1st night there, which I foresaw future events It my life, 50 years forward, didn’t have a past life Rev.. I had a pre pre Rev. of what’s going to happen. I saw Vietnam. Saw How you guys going to marry.

I saw these things all the way up to go into Bobbi’s cave in India, 50 years later to the day that I had my near death experience. It 8 a half, at 58 a half, I had a I fell off a cliff It Himalayan mountains after visiting Babaji’s Made and died on this rock. And was revived by a a a COBRA state crawling across my feet. There’s another whole story there for you. Yeah.

Anyway, but it was

Kristin Taylor
I to It,

Rev. Bill McDonald
like, 50 years later. So you say, what things happen to make me this person? 3 near death experiences. Right? 12 major heart attacks.

Beating the north, getting shot with the machine gun It the heart, blown up by a rocket. 8 helicopter crashes getting shot down 5 times. Knowing who’s gonna get killed, who’s gonna get wounded, seeing the future, predicting the futures, seeing the Kennedy assassination, 1000 little things, but the bottom line is always this. Love and forgiveness. So I never looked It myself as a victim of I.

You know, why did God let this happen to me? Why did my family do this? Yeah. I never It my life ever I, Why Made, Lord? Because It my mind, God would be slap me around and say, I not you, Bill?

Come on. You know, you could take It. And so I looked at everything in my life as a lesson. Anybody that’s done me evil, harm, an enemy, whatever, their teacher, what they’re trying to teach Made. Even in Vietnam, when I’m getting shot at and I got shot at a lot, get shot It.

But and I got a fire back, Never anger, no hate towards him. In fact, I sent him love because I figured that guy, he’s doing what I’m doing. He’s trying to keep his buddies and himself alive. He’s following his duty. So he’s trying to kill me.

I can forgive that. I mean so Yeah. Yeah. And when I went back to Vietnam It 2002, and met Viet Kong and people actually fought against units, I actually fought against. And I went to this farmer’s house where my helicopter was actually shot down and he lived there and showed me his grandkids and his wife cooked the meal for us, and it was beautiful.

It was soldier on soldier. Mhmm. And no hate. No hate. No anger.

We understood each other. So anyway, so I take this repertoire of I’ll be 78 years old in 6 weeks. So 78 years of my life has been meditation prayer, service, love, forgiveness, honoring and helping others, always, It you’re selfish to the point where it’s about you and you’re competitive and you wanna get ahead on the job and beat this guy out for promotion or, you know, the usual competitive things people do. That was in my world. It was more like so it was team, so it was we, so it was us.

Someplace along the I, you gotta take the individual responsibility to be the best you that you can be. So that’s been my goal. I don’t go out trying to change the world what I’ve changed Made.

Kristin Taylor
Right.

Rev. Bill McDonald
And I hope and I believe that has probably changed something out there. And those people that hang around me have phenomenal things, life changing things happen for them around them and to them, just by virtue of hanging. I don’t know if I’m a lucky a lucky shamrock. Right? I’m the I’m I’m the there’s a little leprechaun out there that but people get good I done 12 people win a lot of.

You know what the big 1?

Kristin Taylor
Well, let me slow you How, if I Made, because this is extraordinary. These experiences are extraordinary. I’ve heard you talk about going to Vietnam and you knew which which event was going to kill people? Which event was safe for you? What was going to happen next?

And you knew that you couldn’t tell people because they would think you were you were crazy, and you were always governed since childhood by this high moral spiritual Made. But you’re also human. Do you ever lose your temper Feel impatient, feel frustrated. Are you ever in a bad mood?

Rev. Bill McDonald
Okay. Get angry, never I life.

Kristin Taylor
Never in your life. You’ve never been angry.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Never get angry. You won’t have I step dead put a a Through Made magnum to my forehead in It. Threatened to blow me away. I was 10 years old. I talked so calmly and smoothly to him.

That was interesting lesson because I looked at It. So if I could talk this guy out of blow my head away, What a talent that would be? That’s how my thought was. Wow. It

Kristin Taylor
amazing. But so how do you connect with people I the rest of us who are so very flawed It you’ve never experienced that.

Rev. Bill McDonald
I get I get frustrated sometimes when People don’t understand the gift I’m trying to give them or the help I’m trying to give them. I admit to that. That that’s a flaw. The floor is.

Kristin Taylor
Well, you’re here. You’re here. You’re here. You’re here.

Rev. Bill McDonald
I’m I I. K. I I can be hurt because I thought you understood or I thought you believed Made. I thought you loved me and all those kind of things.

Kristin Taylor
Sure.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Something shows differently. Yeah. I’m a human on that level. But anger? No.

And I always put myself in the middle of the person’s shoes. And I was I was kinda imagine people what they’d be like if they were a toddler or a child. Right? Yeah. So it’s that changes things.

But to me, my enemy is my greatest teacher.

Kristin Taylor
Mhmm.

Rev. Bill McDonald
So I look at them and I say, why is why is this person stirring this up in me? You know, when is it in me that’s affected by that energy? So I was good. No matter what happens, those turns back to my fix. You know, I, all this stuff’s going, well, what part is that It me?

And so even if it’s only 1% or a half% or a 100% or 50%. So I look at everything from the point of view is How can I change me to affect that? And I learned a lot of that when I was a teenager living in a white under the 2 lids of a Kohorna. David K. Bray, Bill daddy.

And he taught me this. He taught me stuff at the I. I thought, I could be out surfing. Wouldn’t I listen to this old guy? He was 60 son years old.

I was 18. Right? And he’s teaching me, I’m gonna teach you how to heal. And I go, oh, great. Okay.

I’m ready to take metal notes. How know, first thing you gotta do is you gotta love you. And I’m going, okay. This ain’t going anywhere. And the next thing you gotta forgive you I I’m going, oh, okay.

This is way before all these books came out in the last 20 years about a I, you know, forgiving and all that stuff. This is the old old Kahuna stuff. And he practiced it. And to him was you wanna heal somebody, you heal you, and it works on the other It it’s You have to see the extension of yourself and others. It’s all family.

Mhmm. And so yeah. So Yeah. Things that changed me It made me different. I I feel I have felt great physical pain.

I think I talked a little bit about that. I mean, I’ve had my nose cut off Through times. Top of my head’s been cut off twice. You know, cancer, I’ve How, you know, 15, 20 surgeries on the face, a couple dozen on the head, you know, all around the

Kristin Taylor
12 heart attacks?

Rev. Bill McDonald
Yeah. 12 heart attacks quadruple bypass surgery for the heart, 8 stents, I had a no I had a 3rd year death experience when I had an open heart surgery and had I. That was an issue 1 because it wasn’t your normal if such a thing. No. Near death experience where you’re you’re you’re this flooring around like a ghost or something.

I actually went from a operating table Made naked on a cold metal table with a thin sheet. You have I heart ripped open and all this stuff in there. 2 instantaneously being in another body, my body, but a different body It India, as predicted, The year before It was predicted in India when I was here. No. You gotta go to this you gotta go to this temple and this stuff happens.

I went to that temple and I’m going, wow. I could feel I could feel the heat, people bump it into me. It was a it was another body experience, a I location. The other body, the old body was still sitting on the operating Bill. It was over when they did that, then both bodies Right.

Together It. Yeah. That’s another whole story, but it’s a it’s a life that has had purpose. So I look at everything, whether, you know, the cutting the nose off, whether I I got shot by a machine gun. It doesn’t make it got blown up by a rocket.

It doesn’t matter whatever I. I go, oh, I needed that. I needed that because it’s all given me credentials I when I talk about healing with people Mhmm. Instead of saying, well, magically through yoga and stuff, which I used to do. He’s just, Bill, there’s no pain.

You know, drill my teeth, drill down to the nerve with no shots, so the doctor will do it. I could just do It, you know. You just use It. Right? Breathing.

But How, When I come back from the 3rd near death experience, I was told that I would feel every ache and pain Made so than ever felt my entire life. And my job was to find a way to take and make a method and a technique that I could teach and share for others. And so that’s what I’ve been doing for the last few years. I’m going around the world. I was just in India last January, and I was just Salt Lake Studios in New York.

You name it. And I’m going to London coming up in Scotland, not I. I’m sorry. Going to Scotland, and then I’m going to Berlin to give a big, you know, workshop, and then I’ll be in the Bavarian Alps, give you a workshop, and then check the safakian Republic, and then I’ll be in Zurich, and and then Tokyo, why you name it. Right?

So I’m going around the world on my own time. I just go do these things and, you know, rent a building or something I do It. Hopefully, people help me out. If they don’t, they don’t. But I’m driven to take what I’ve learned and share that.

And what I’m sharing is Not so much here do this technique because you can’t do these things just with the technique. It’s I, start that car where the car don’t have a battery and it ain’t gonna go anywhere. I don’t know if it’s brand new, and it is with the energy. So this is all thing about energy healing, about energy lifting, changing your frequency, Now some people have a natural way of doing these things. I watch I watch people with music, you know, some on certain frequencies, they just get You can’t listen to amazing grace without being affected.

Right? Right. There’s something about the frequency of that song. It you don’t understand words, you know, it’s just So sound and frequency, words have frequency, I, Right.

Kristin Taylor
As frequency. Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
So all these things together, and I kinda put them all in the same package. To Made, people say, well, what’s your what’s who’s God? What’s God? I go, God’s love. The love is the greatest energy of Bill.

And love is light lover’s sound, you know. In the beginning, there was the word. Right? Ohm or whatever. Right?

That was the beginning, but it’s all vibrational. Even when you break everything down to its smallest particle, you know, string theory, whatever you wanna go, it’s always well, there’s no substance. It’s just energy. String thing It just energy I. You know?

So everything’s about energy including us. Mhmm. And so when I go out and I’m teaching self love for healing purposes, there’s so much power in that being I. I mean, For example, I I fixed broken teeth. I fixed broken kneecaps.

I’ve taken people out of out of a transient. You know, they’re they’re unconscious for days I can pull them up out of that. So it it doesn’t matter because in the realm of energy, it’s all the same.

Kristin Taylor
And so what I also I I really tracking with what you’re saying, Belief is also energy. So if you have someone and they are in some sort of physical peril and they’re seeking help or you’ve offered help or however that happens, no matter how amazing your energy can be, if they don’t believe nothing’s gonna happen.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Well, you’ve been to I sounds like you’ve been to my workshop. That’s why I first off, the titles of my workshop I tell people because, oh, come here, Bill’s Bill’s healed Made. I go, no. I said, what’s the title of the workshop? Self healing.

Yeah. Because River Bill could do anything he wants all day long and he’s got the energy to heal himself and he’s could do all the he could charge your battery. He could ultimately You gotta believe in it. That’s why It some medicine Made, some shaman gives you a sugar pill and tells you to take this Through times a day for the next week, and whatever he got is gone, it will be if you believe It the in the childhood, if you believe it the doctor or if you believe in the pharmacist, It says Made the sugar pill. So it’s not what you Made.

It’s your belief in it. And I learned that lesson pretty straightforward. I was in India, in 2009. And I said this Ashroom. And it was I midnight, and I was painting art on a temple Bill, you know, for what you do, barefoot I.

Made with a couple people and I Bill off this makeshift thing I was staying on because they didn’t have a ladder. Chair atop the chair, and then I fell into It. And first down this marble steps, and my leg got tangled up in a I, and it All of a sudden, my my foot was going Through directions. It Made it sound like It you stepped on a bag of potato chips, It know? Yeah.

I sound. And everybody everybody stopped. There was, like, 6 people. They all they all look over there and there’s blood coming out. It’s turned purple.

It’s swollen up huge. You know, you’re sitting on the toes. Yeah. I mean, it’s bad. It’s it’s bad.

Right? So I kinda crawl over to the edge of the temple, and somebody ghost gets the Through wife. She comes out there and she goes, oh, It just starts crying and everything. You know? The guru comes out basically and he goes, Bill.

There’s nothing wrong with your foot. And if we’re just looking at him going, oh, you’re gonna take him to the doctor because there’s nothing wrong with your foot. You’ll be okay in the morning. So I told his wife, I said, because she’s going on. I don’t think I said, It the guru tells tells me that there’s nothing wrong with the foot, I Bill.

It goes, what? She says, because when I first met him, he told me a guru can never I. So I Bill dad is the truth. So when he tells me to rub my foot, so I stand up, I put my sandal on here. Swelling goes How, the bleeding stops, and blue goes away.

I walk. Next morning, I catch How. And It the Ashton Walking, you know. I go girl Bill, girl, and How go I go, thank you. Thank you for healing my foot.

He goes, no. I did not heal your foot. Your belief It my words healed your foot.

Kristin Taylor
So the implications of this are incredibly profound. I could go towards, you know, healing the climate eradicating cancer, healing our relationships. I mean, it it does not have an application. There’s no there’s no application that isn’t poignant. But let’s slow it down.

So I’m gonna say what I hear you’re saying, and I know it’s not about technique. I I’m hearing you say reverend Bill, as we need to understand that everything is energy. Starting with, as an example, sound, I, right, the energy of love. Okay. We also need to understand that everything we’re experiencing in this illusion of this lifetime We came here to experience and everything can be a lesson.

And it is a lesson in fact, and we need to recognize it’s an opportunity for learning and experiencing and evolving. So now It someone I, I have an issue with my leg and I’m mentioned it many times on the show. If I assist you with my leg that I’ve had for almost 30 years, and I connect and raise my vibration by connecting with divine love, and I make a spiritual practice of It. Belief chanting, meditation, automatic writing, just really connecting with love and recognizing this malady that I have It a teacher, and it does also It something I can move through. And I truly foster the belief I can cure myself.

And I lay hands on. I do energetic work. I imagine healing. I imagine flow. I imagine light is coming.

What am I missing that I have not been able to heal It?

Rev. Bill McDonald
Shredder Park. In other words, you go in there. Believe It the divine Courtney, you gotta tell I source what you need and fix it. I don’t go into it. It’s like you cut off my nose, you you get broken body part, whatever it is.

I never asked the divine to heal me ever. I think whatever’s happened to me is supposed to happen to me. My job is to learn to listen. I love me and I love me to such a degree that I accept whatever I mean, Great. It’s like when I had all this cancer on my face It my head.

I love the cancer because How had cancer’s my enemy. Great. I love my cancer. I I body heals because it’s in love, and But I’ve found some people overlooking 2 things when it comes to healing. 1 is what Karmic lessons are learning.

Mhmm. And part of that is surrendering to You know what? I need It do I need this, whatever it is, great. Thank you for giving me this. Let me learn whatever lessons I came from this.

And you don’t get mad at God for Oh, I I was born with this thing or this happened or

Kristin Taylor
It’s not fair and I’m the victim and

Rev. Bill McDonald
Yeah. Yeah. All I mom so just look at it go because here’s the deal. It’s just a body. Okay.

It’s just a body. The real energy is all spirit. It’s just a body. And eventually no matter how well you’ve taken care of that body. I mean, I’m gonna be 78.

I don’t know how old I look, but I’m I’m looking I’m going down this. My friends aren’t getting old up. Made I am, but there’s not a wrinkle on my face. Okay. So I accept everything this happened to me.

Kristin Taylor
You don’t just accept said you say thank you. You have gratitude.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Thank you. I the cancer. I thought when I had the cancer and I went in for 1 surgery, And then before I went, the doctor goes, you know, the cancer is you got 2 big cancers, tumors under your Bill socket here and look like maybe they’re a little I don’t know what the lead medical term It. A little feet come out or a It, you know, roots or whatever. It may they may be in your eyeball, you know, I the eye.

And if that’s the case when we operate to take these out, you may lose 1 or both eyes. I said, oh, okay. I guess I need to bring my I Made. I need to ride home. That was just a total reaction.

Kristin Taylor
Real lack of attachment and recognizing this is all very temporary. That is what is meant to be, then that is the lesson I’m here to learn. Incredibly involved. You know, I we had a guest on. And what he said about illness because he’s also born I, near death experience, and he met a shaman in his near death experience.

And thereafter, and they said, and he is a proponent. His message is disease is a teacher. So when someone has some sort of illness, they need to look at the moment that happened. What was going on in your life that was out of balance? Was it a relationship?

Was it a relationship with yourself? You need to course correct because it’s a wake up call to say what is out of balance. And then a lot of what you were saying is what he is saying, but it’s because so when I told him about my leg, he said, when did you get, and I said, when I was 27, he said, and what was happening in your life? That is the thing that it came here to teach you. So what do you what do you think of that perspective?

Rev. Bill McDonald
All these things have a valid place. Karma, which is very difficult for people to understand. Yeah. You bring a lot of these things in. It’s I, I hate to tell people people.

Well, you’re you’re you’re saying we’re predestines. I said, you you created your future already.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
So yeah. It that predestines? Is that fate? Calling that you wanted. You created it.

You You

Kristin Taylor
wrote the blueprint.

Rev. Bill McDonald
We wrote the blueprint. So there it is. So but for example, I’ve had 12 major heart attacks. I got 8 stints. I got quadruple bypass surgery.

I’ve had congestive heart failure for over 20 years. So I had a heart attack 5 weeks ago.

Kristin Taylor
Okay? Wow.

Rev. Bill McDonald
No big deal. It just hard to Made I just a bite. So I called VA, so I think I’d come in for a checkup, so I come in a few days later. So I go in there and I see my doctor Niggos. But what do you I that what do I the heart yeah.

I had a heart attack of the day, and he goes, let me pull up your file, and he goes, let’s see. Oh, he goes to this whole list of stuff, the stand stuff, the It goes and and you got congestive heart failure. 20 years, you said, you know, the 1st 5 years is 50% fatality. The next 5 years It only I 20% of the people left. He says, we got no numbers for 20 years.

He says, you should become here to thank me for being your medical doctor. I go what? Because ain’t nothing I can do for you. Right? So then I.

So then, let me show you this. See this heart.

Kristin Taylor
Yes.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Alright. So I I grew up a workshop down Southern California, and it’s in a acupuncture’s office. The lobby was so but that was really nice. I finished she hurt me just casually telling that story between breaks. She says, no.

I I I wanna help you. I wanna work on you. I wanna give you acupuncture treatment. And I said, what? I’m I’m I said, What do you got wrong?

It’s like, okay. I had a heart attack. You don’t wake or 2 ago. She goes, okay. So if she goes to a nurse, she takes the wrist, and she She finds a spot like right here, she pokes a needle in there, and she says, oh, theoretically, theoretically, this middle finger will feel some energy and it’ll come all the way across here and let your chest.

Well, so she did that. This finger went And then it was I, boom. And she’s looking at me and I’m look I said, do you feel like she goes? Do you see that? She goes, yeah.

And then the next day, on the opposite side of my arm.

Kristin Taylor
Amazing.

Rev. Bill McDonald
I got a blood heart.

Kristin Taylor
I got a blood heart.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Anyway, so It it’s I I’m trying to say about issues. I have gone through things, and then I go people come to me They wanna be they come to Made because I think I’m, you know, I’m gonna cure them and they’re they’re they got 3 month death sentence, you know, they’ll be dead of cancer. And I’m telling people, I said, you know, when you I, it’s not up to me number 1. That’s that’s So I got a car to Bill. There’s a date.

It’s it’s gonna happen, and It ain’t gonna escape. I said, And number 2, that disease that you have or that injury you have or that defect that you have is burning karma. So if you Just go around without any Through. No prayer. No divine intervention.

No divine entombment. You just go out there and start curing everybody. I thought about a medical doctor. That’s their job. That’s their destiny.

I thought my nose was real. It’s How there. All miracle workers. Right?

Kristin Taylor
That’s right.

Rev. Bill McDonald
And they wanna cure everybody. I I’m telling you, you know what? Not even the gurus cure everybody because there’s a higher value that that to deal with. You take away this disease This cancer, but it’s burning karma. Now you It their spiritual growth.

We’re also gonna burn that karma. It’s easier to burn it on the body. That’s They’re not a a relationship. Mhmm. They’d rather have it to force.

Or deal with the cancer. Right? So you gotta have to deal with this thing someplace. So There’s people that have come to me in the past, and and I just It I don’t have a voice say, go do It. I just I wish him Bill.

Oh, pray for me as I pray. When I pray for people, it sounded like God, God, this grandmother’s got cancer, and she needs this, these No. No. No. No.

God knows that. First off, the fact that you prayed to God means you think God is separate from you. Number 1, It outside of you. You’re praying to God. Secondly, you’re assuming that the all knowing, all living God doesn’t know this.

But if you come to a repetition, we’ll detail this person’s no. Just praying and asking is a lack of faith. If you’re gonna do anything, thank God for whatever is happening this person. Because whatever it is, it’s going to benefit them spiritually, emotionally in some way. It’s gonna burden karma give them courage, give them comfort.

I don’t mind praying to take away the pain. All these things are good. Pray for them to have the power of wisdom. So they understand why they’re going through this. So no.

Healing people just because it’s not good enough. I don’t wanna see anybody suffer an animal most especially or anything else or a person. Nobody wants to see that. You do what you can. And if it’s your own I, then That’s your karma you’re dealing with too.

So go on. God bless you. Do whatever you gotta do.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. So distilling again. It’s the gratitude for whatever it is you are contending with because it could be Karmic. It might not be, but there is a lesson in there. It is not without purpose.

And so praying for comfort For courage, I heard 1 person call it a most benevolent outcome, and a benevolent outcome could be moving through pain. I mean, my show’s called how I made it Through. Moving through pain so that the lesson is learned that karma is closed. What is your definition of karma? How do you explain that to people?

Rev. Bill McDonald
Karma is an accumulation of all that your ego It entertained. What you’ve Rev., what you’ve watched, what you’ve eaten. Which actions you’ve taken, what lust and desires you’ve had, you name it. It’s accumulate the good and the bad. It you care to label them, it’s all karma.

Because you’re Karma could be you’re trying to build an orphanage for all these times you wanna help children and, you know, and and you gotta come back this lifetime because you haven’t fulfilled the desire to to build this orphanage. Right? So there’s Karmic levels. And then, you have people like Saint Francis of Assisi or Saint Ignatius of Alayola, or Jesus or somebody out there. There’s people out there that they’re taking on karma of others, and you’re sitting this with great gurus and with great.

Spiritual beings. Then you go, welcome to Saint Francis, having How eyes taken out. You know? How come this I being burned to the stake? How come Jesus being nailed to the cross?

Was that karma? I the great ones choose to be used. So you don’t know in your I. When you’re dealing with somebody, if they’re if if what’s happening to especially a child coming to this world, and they come in in their they they have mental, emotional problems.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Or or they have physical Bill, and you go, oh, well, and I I I wanna slap people around, but I don’t. When they go, oh, that child goes to Advent Karma. No? A lot of times these children will volunteer to speed up their spiritual evolution by taking on mass doses of stuff off. Give it to me all I.

They wanna get rid of it. They wanna move forward quickly. Or they love their parents so much. They I help their parents get Through their karma. And so they present the parents an opportunity to learn great compassion and exercise this whole lesson of great love.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
And because if you talk to somebody that’s that’s had a child for 20, 30 years, 4 years, and the child dies. But the whole time, they’ve been, you know, having all kinds of issues and stuff. When it’s over, there’s a part of them that has no regret. It’s like, no, there was a deeper love there. And It that the ones that have been successful, have found that.

Even if they were suffering, they had no time, they were working their butts off, they’re changing diapers on adults. I mean, they’re doing all this kind of stuff. Right? But they did it. It was their duty, and they did it.

And once they get past this, their duty, They go to that next level. Yeah. Do it because I’m it’s like I have a friend, his wife has Alzheimer’s. People say, well, you I, why don’t you put her someplace on here? You just lovingly takes care of this woman.

They said, well, she doesn’t even know who you are anymore. And he goes, but I know who she is. That’s all.

Kristin Taylor
Well, every lesson in there is a lesson of love. They’re all love lessons. And what I’ve heard from people, I’d be curious to hear from you because it connects with what you just said, is that Often people who come into these I children with with cancer or physical or mental disability are older souls.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Oh, yeah.

Kristin Taylor
And it’s they’re doing it, yes for their parents, yes for the collective, yes for medical advancements, but it’s older souls.

Rev. Bill McDonald
That’s a tough tough life that the 1 takes on.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. I

Rev. Bill McDonald
think most of those because you can’t really see through the layers of karma, but most of those children coming in accepted that challenge. It’s like, no. Give it to me. No. I follow-up.

I would

Kristin Taylor
say Bill of them. I mean, that is my understanding. When we are on the other side and we are connected with our guides, it is is saying, and we are in collaboration. We have free will to say, what am I choosing to take on? What am I choosing to take on?

So let let me ask you this. What awareness and to what extent does that awareness shape how you show up in this I. Do you have of your own past lives? To be so evolved.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Yeah. Well, I I’ve I’ve had readings in India. From various gurus and and naughty Palmleaf readers and and card readers and fading astrologers, and and I’ve had western people. I’ve had all of it. What’s really weird is that in all the readings that I’m talking dozens that I’ve had independently without me telling about anything that they have no knowledge of the reasons.

They’re all the same, which I amazing. I had a naughty palm leaf reading done, which which is another whole topic for another day. These things were written down. They were channeled by ancient Rishis in India, like 2000 to 5000 years ago. And How wrote this information down for people coming in the future.

And they would come looking for that, and they they find these things and they give it to you. So I had a couple of those done. And it’s it’s almost amazing to me that I said, jeez, how they know I was gonna come in at this time and place, you know, to get this. Because when you go in, when you get to read, you realize from the questions and the predictions and stuff. This is exactly the the day, the I, I’m supposed to be here.

Right? For example, First 1 I had done in Indian, Puna, I It by a Through, and and the guy goes in a reading, How goes, you recently worked on a movie, but not as an actor. Well, Through, 3 weeks before, I gave a suggestion for a script to help a I saw a movie, and I just didn’t like I done, and I go, the guy said, oh, we got no more It. So what you also gotta do is once It 2 minutes, do the blah blah blah blah. So that was my contribution.

The film became really great. And Bob. And then then Bruce Briggs thing and Bob Bill saw the thing afterwards. I heard about it. They saw the new ending, and, yeah, go ahead and use anything from our catalog for your music if you want.

I mean, it was just it it’s set the tone for the thing. So nobody at the Ashroom knew about that. Then these guys Made doing a Rev., didn’t know, but but had I been in there the year before? Or a year after, 6 months before it it wouldn’t Made any meaning. So when they go, this is the time, this is the place.

This is what happens. So I asked somebody. I said, well, how how would they know when I’m gonna come in? And so what? Here’s what I was told because Interesting.

This is another old lecture. All time is now. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

So I years goes now. Yeah. This guy in this trance channeling, he sees me getting ready to go in to get this thing done. See, channels It the same time I’m doing It, and he’s channeled it. And even though it’s 5000 years in our life Yeah.

But actually, it’s exactly what I walked in. He’s done this thing to give me. So it’s and and when you hear that and you go, what? What?

Kristin Taylor
Well, the sense I make of it and tell me this jives with you and then We’re gonna have to start wrapping up Courtney. But It the Akashic records? The Akashic records, everything, and I’m gonna use these terms for our earthly incarnations here, but that ever was, that ever is, that ever will be. It’s all already laid out.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Mhmm. So you gotta ask yourself is It Made? Or some free will.

Kristin Taylor
That’s exactly where I’m going.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Alright. So here’s here’s here’s why I tell people. Right for this this little different thought on this. It all time is now so what I do now affects what I did in the past, and it also affects at the same time what I do in the future, So you change all Through, but it’s already written because wherever you focus at this for now, it’s it’s there, but it’s I nobody’s dictating the the free will you use and how you use it. You have.

Kristin Taylor
But yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
You’ve written it all. For right now, Christine could just wake up tomorrow and say, you know, I’m tired of this garbage. God never won. Boom. And and you believe it.

I mean, you know it. It’s not it’s a knowing. It’s I, boom. You’re gone. See, we hang on to these little I, iness things, I, and e s s, I.

Right? The eagle You have a story, personal story. I got a personal story. We had histories. And we believe those.

And if we believe those, that means we believe in heaven. We believe in birth. We believe in life. We Bill in pain. We believe in all that stuff.

We believe in death. We believe in the I. Whatever it may be. And we believe reincarnation. So that’s all belief.

I was asked on an Eastern European Made show 2019, I think it was it says, obviously, you’re being reincarnation because I’d get back to your original question, reincarnation. Mhmm. And I said, I don’t even believe in incarnation. It’s all illusion. But if you are wearing a body, you got a bodysuit, flesh bones, you’re gonna feel pain.

You I don’t believe pain. Well, you got a body. You’re gonna feel it. Right? And you got a body It gonna die and you’re gonna be born.

Right? Because you have an ego It any level that your ego is at frequency wise, you’ll have a body that will fit that. In other words, You go on the other side and you’re some kind of angelic being. You got an angelic body. You have body of light.

You have a rainbow body. Bill be an astro body, a casual body. You know, you may just be orbiting someplace in the cosmos, but you’ll have a body because you have an eagle. So that’s the separation. We separate ourselves because we believe in us the power of us.

And once you realize there’s nothing separate from us, nothing at all. It’s all 1. Then you go from the I, to the onus.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah. Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
And that is so much easier to say than to actually do. Just I I

Kristin Taylor
appreciate you saying that. It feels like a really good place to start segueing. And that’s something I’m gonna have to listen to over and over and over again to really hear what you are saying. The things that I’m taking away from this interview are how fundamental it is to practice love, Great place to start is with ourself. God is us, we are God, recognizing that.

And also, and and I would like to have you back as this idea around integrity and service and recognizing, you know, when no 1 is looking, who are we truly being? And is it connected to the vibration of love? Or are we having these little doubts and strategies to to get ahead losing our spiritual way. I have 1 more question. I knew we’re gonna go up.

I have 1 more question.

Rev. Bill McDonald
I I I I I could don’t I’m an Irishman. Don’t don’t ask me something because I I go on well past your your time. But but, basically, it’s this. Everybody has a purpose. People, oh, it’s our purpose.

Yeah. I am I here? I hear that same question. I had How ask them a hundred year old people. You know?

Yeah. Young people. Why are we here? Ultimately, we’re only here to love and serve. And serving as loving.

So, basically, you’re you’re just to learn about love. And when you realize that the essence of love is God. So when you say everybody’s made It in God’s image, Bill, God is love. That vibration of love, that the whole whole everything is vibrating with love. So, yeah, we’re all made in the image of God.

We just have these sectarian thoughts that I’m Protestant. I’m Jewish. I’m this. I’m dad. This is my guy.

That’s not your guy. And we got these divisions and I is separate from us. No. 1 day we wake up and realize there is no separation.

Kristin Taylor
And do you think that day is coming? Because there’s been so much that I think we can we can look at politically, socially It terms of that that climate It terms of race relations, so much is sort of exploding. And my viewpoint is that it is an opportunity

Rev. Bill McDonald
I. You could you could

Kristin Taylor
So look at the darkness to see

Rev. Bill McDonald
the It. But you could have made that statement any century.

Kristin Taylor
It’s true.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Any decade. It’s I, That’s the way of the world. You asked Made, do I believe it’s good? I’m telling you that in a future now, which is happening right now.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
You and I are already 1 with God.

Kristin Taylor
Yeah.

Rev. Bill McDonald
We’re just playing the solution out. It’s, you know, as as these new ages, oh, it’s so metric. You It, a lot of things is a computer, but there’s definitely some delusional stuff going on. It’s solutions. It it’s not what it all seems to be.

Kristin Taylor
It’s not what it all seems to Bill

Rev. Bill McDonald
these real stuff. All these real stuff. That’s it.

Kristin Taylor
Okay. That feels like a beautiful place. For us to end today’s interview. Such a pleasure, reverend Bill McDonald. Thank you for sharing all that you have.

I know it’ll make a difference.

Rev. Bill McDonald
Thank you. You’re welcome.