Richard Martini  00:04

One might argue well, all afterlife experiences is reflective of your belief system from where you’re at. However, in terms of this research, people report the same hallmarks no matter what their religion is, whether the skeptics atheists, doesn’t matter what religion background they are. They talk about guides and teachers and council members.


Kristin Taylor  00:39

Hello, and welcome to how I made it through. My name is Kristin Taylor, and I’m an executive and life coach. I’m continually awed and inspired by those who have walked through challenge and adversity, only to come out the other side more self aware, and more deeply purposeful in their commitment to wisdom, love, and compassion. Our lives are short, but they are not without meaning. And I believe we are more alike than we are different. My hope is that this show through the sharing of ordinary people, moving through extraordinary circumstances, opens minds and hearts by interviewing those who have a lot to say about why we are here, and how to live more fully. This week, we are welcoming back to our show Richard Martini because we are so damn lucky. If you have not listened to the first episode. Although it is not a prerequisite for this one. You would certainly be missing out. It aired on January 17. And boy did people love it. Richard is a filmmaker and author of 10 books about the afterlife as selling in their genre of Kindle, including his latest book, divine counsels of the afterlife. He has produced three films including flipside, a journey into the afterlife, hacking the afterlife. And talking to Bill Paxton, when could easily assume the guy never sleeps? He is so prolific as a writer and a filmmaker. However, it is often through his dreams that communication with those on the flip side of curse for him. How do I know this? Because I tuned into one of my very favorite podcasts acting the afterlife with Jennifer Schaefer, when I and all their listeners get to enjoy the sweet connection and banter psychic medium, Jennifer Schaefer and Richard share, and the conversations that ensue and people as well known as Elvis, Prince, Amelia Earhart, and Robin Williams show up. You see, they make guest appearances, as hosted by Richard’s very dear and departed friend, Juana Anders. Who exists, you guessed it on the flip side. Welcome, Richard.


Richard Martini  02:47

Thank you, Kristin. I’m so glad to be back. Although it kind of feels like I never left. I think we’re in cyberspace.


Kristin Taylor  02:54

We may be in cyberspace. Yes, yes. Well, we had a lot of interesting conversations. And we were just saying there are probably too many conversations to contain within one episode. But some of the things we wanted to talk about are just to lay out the agenda for everyone, please. Yes, I wanted to talk about near death experiences NDEs. And particular, what we don’t hear a lot about are those who report to have negative Andes. I also want to talk about Richards journey, like how he got to this place in his life, which is a big question. I want to talk about Amelia Earhart, I want to talk about time, I want to talk about a lot of things. But where do you want to start? Richard, where do you want to open it up?


Richard Martini  03:37

Oh, that’s great. I mean, I appreciate that. That laid out for me. And you know, I’m a kind of a random answer generator, like a chatbot. So you can really just start me off anywhere. But let’s please and you do have a list of them right here. Right?


Kristin Taylor  03:52

You so I will remember. Okay, well remember, that’s great.


Richard Martini  03:55

Because otherwise normally get a pen and let’s start with near death experiences negative ones, the more fun ones,


Kristin Taylor  04:02

Let’s just call them that, depending on who you’re talking to.


Richard Martini  04:04

Let’s not forget. You know, it was Aristotle who first said in poetics, the essence of drama is conflict. So the stuff that we see on stage that we remember, is the stuff that has conflict. So people who had a negative near death experience are like, Oh, come on, what are you talking about? You think I chose that? Well, we can and I like to talk about data and research and footage because I’ve had the great opportunity to visit the University of Virginia’s department of Perceptual Studies lab, where they study these things I had, I guess they got to stay at Bruce Grayson’s house. Dr. Grayson wrote the book after about his decades of experience, they named the scale for the near death experience after him because what he observed was that you can get object Live data evidence from subjective experiences, or near death experiences. So the point was, the point is that people argue that near death experiences are so subjective, that you can’t really analyze them. Well, truthfully, if you ask 100 people, let’s just use that term that number, the same questions, and you get what they experience, Oh, I saw somebody, I don’t know. I saw somebody I do know, I saw a like, I saw a tunnel, I saw this, I saw that, you can say, well, 70% of the people experience this 90% experience that it’s about 70%, who experienced something, meaning three out of 10, roughly 30% don’t experience anything. So those people and our people argue that well, that means that nothing happened. That’s like saying, when the stereo is unplugged, that music stops, or the television is unplugged, collection dies, and then plug it back in, to live again. But so in terms of data, it’s one to 3% of Near Death Experiences experience something negative. And now, so we’re only talking about out of 100 people, one, two, or three. And in my we’ll call it research because I don’t have another term for it. But the stuff that I’ve been doing filming people talking about this stuff, falls in line with that, which is I’ve had 200 people talking about previous lifetimes and remembering what happened after the immediate thing of, you’re asking them so. Okay, you just described this incredible lifetime in the Roman era. What happened after and they’ll say, I went here I went there. I had this experience, only to have ever said something negative or something hellacious or hellish occurred. And in both of those instances, cuz it was with the same hypnotherapist got the tangible from life between where Scott asked them at some point, they’re describing this, I’m smelling sulfur, I’m feeling really uncomfortable, and I’m seeing something really awful. And then he asked them simply, so why are we here? The question being, or implying that you chose to be here. But just as so why are we here? And, you know, they could have said, Oh, because I was a bad person, or I did these crimes and blah, blah, blah, but they don’t what they what happens, it dissolves in front of their eyes, and they go back to where they initially started. In just one case, I had a friend who is a science, he was a science officer, and she worked in Silicon Valley and was very successful in her field. And she had read cliffside, she was visiting Santa Monica, she said, I’d really like to try one of those. So I thought Great, total skeptic didn’t believe in the afterlife. And it took the session sometimes lasts four to six hours. It took six I think about five hours for her to actually get to a point where she said, I I am seeing all these things, but I don’t believe them. And then Scott said, Well, can I ask your guide this question? Why? What can we what can you show her that will examine it more clearly for her. And she she said everything slowed down. And then she saw that all these images she was seeing were different lifetimes that she had. And one of them she stopped on was a lifetime in Egypt. And she remembered, you know, working as a sort of a servant as she remembered her family. She remember dying at a waterhole, some an animal that died in the waterhole, and so the family get poisoned. They’ll die there. But as she crossed over, she saw this woman waiting for her with a big, beautiful necklace. And Scott asked her So who is this woman? And well for I’m sorry, your first she started doing the hellacious experience. Okay, right. So she’s smelling sulfur and feeling trying to describe this, like, very uncomfortable feeling of hell. Let’s call it that because no two descriptions of hell match. In any description I’ve ever seen. You think if it was a place that at least two people would say, yeah, it’s next to Poughkeepsie here. There’s connected here something but they know that it’s all sort of self reflective. But she was seeing that negative feeling. And then he said, Who are we here and suddenly she was back to seeing this woman standing in front of her with a necklace. And Scott asked, Well, does she have a name? And she said it’s Ashrita and in Scotland Can you spell that she said, A S T. And, and then this woman, beautiful. Let’s call her goddess of some kind was escorting her ushering her to the flip side. When we left the session, I’m driving my friend home. And we look up on Wikipedia. Who has a s t. And it turns out that’s ISIS, the Goddess that we’ve all heard of. But in Egypt, ancient Egypt, that’s what they called her Ashrita. So a word that my friend had never heard. So, so the point being, it appears to be reflexive of your experience. Now, one might argue, well, all afterlife experiences is reflexive of your belief system, from where you’re at. However, in terms of this research, people report the same hallmarks no matter what their religion is, whether the skeptics atheists, doesn’t matter what religion background they are. They talk about guides and teachers and council members. And that’s kind of why I wrote the book Council divine councils in the afterlife.


Kristin Taylor  11:10

Yes, yes. Yeah. Divine counsels.


Richard Martini  11:13

I love using a little Michelangelo here. Because I know, I know a lot about his story. And it’s just fun to see him. It looks a little bit like, you know, this fellow is like, Come on, give me a high five or step back. Don’t get so close to me. Anyway, I will. I will. And all the reason i Oh, you go. There you go. Right side. Oh, my gosh, I oppose that. Anyway, that’s kind of what the the genesis of that is. So that, that goes to your second question. So let’s just not to set aside the near death experiences one to 3%. Look, people do report, you know, hellacious thing like seeing people with horns, and red eyes. And hairy faces, and, I would argue, argue, is not the right term. But I would point out, none of those things are negative. I mean, horns are mad and hair, and cartilage. And why seeing a guy wearing horns would be scary is beyond me.


Kristin Taylor  12:13

Well, let me play. Let me play devil’s advocate. So I hear what you say when you deconstruct it when you deconstruct it, and you’re like, Well, those are just elements of tissue, whether it’s hair horns, that the color of an eye, but the subjective experience when they’re having it is like, Holy hell, if that’s an oxymoron, this is terrifying. This, this is to have the experience of fear. But what’s really interesting to me, because I’ve listened to a number of these people, and I want to see where this aligns or misaligned with your point, I have heard a lot of people talk about these hellish near death experiences. And they will go through, you know, very detailed account of their hell, which is very unique to them. And then in the midst of it, when they ask for help. And typically, it’s of God, or Jesus, or whatever their reference point is of someone who would be a savior and could help, they are immediately taken out of it. And once they then because it’s a near death experience, they don’t actually stay. On the flip side, they come back and they report. And it has totally transformed their life in a positive way. Right. And so my takeaway from their takeaway is, I didn’t like it, I realized I actually had agency and it was a sense of, I felt like I should be in house. So that’s where I took myself in a way, it wasn’t some sort of divine punishment, or satanic punishment. And that when they decided I don’t want to be any here anymore, everything shifted, and then it changed how they move through the world.


Richard Martini  13:55

Absolutely. And it’s a fascinating observational thing that you can see that so many I’ve talked to if they I and screw, the International Association of near death studies, I just did a talk last week with them. But it’s where you go there and you meet people have had this experience. And then you talk about the experience, a lot of them don’t have any context for coming back. Because they’re over on the flip side. And then they don’t want to come back because they have these feelings of profound love. And they don’t want to come back to the hard work in and they’re told, and you mentioned Jesus, if you get less you point out, it’s could be an avatar could be Krishna. And they’re told, No, you’re not ready. Go home. We’ll back that home. Sorry, mom is over there was over there. Yeah, go but go back and get back to work because you signed up for something and you you’re supposed to help other people and finish it. They don’t give you all that context. Generally, they just go back and now you’re back and you’re like, I don’t understand. Why would I come back here? This doesn’t make a lick of sense. I don’t want to be here. So but a couple of things I want to point out I’m gonna Hold Jesus up as my pinky here. But the other one you mentioned was fear. Now think about fear for a second just as a meditative god, does it exist outside of your brain? Well, no, of course not, doesn’t it’s not a thing that’s laying on the street, you know, or a brick you can trip over. It’s a thing. It’s a mental concept. And so, people do have fears. Of course, it’s just the nature of a human. That’s what keeps us alive on the planet fear of certain things. But as we know, you know, monks, and people who meditate all the time, they can overcome fears they can. It’s the there’s an old Buddhist thing of the snake or the rope. And look, you’re walking through the woods and you see a rope on the ground, and you immediately think, oh, my gosh, that’s a snake. It’s about to kill me until you realize it’s a row. And then you’re, you’re real here, the fear that she was so palpable disappears. So that of course, you know, it’s not, it’s easy for me to say, but when somebody has an experience, you know, that it is something palpable, and real, and it feels real. And perhaps their near death experience only touches that surface of that hellacious experience. They don’t get to have the, and as you pointed out, the people that we’re talking to have come back. So in the construct of H E, double hockey sticks, the area that we’ve been grown up and heard about and been pounded over the head with, you’re not supposed to come back from there. It’s not like an actual trip. Exactly. You know, they had purgatory, which was supposed to be a comeback from place. And they had limbo for a long time, because they didn’t know what to do with all the people who died before Christ was even born. So they created that place. But still, and then they dissolved it. One day, Pope John Paul, the 23rd said, No, I’m just kidding. Limbo gone. All those souls where they’re like God free. So But ultimately, it’s that thing of, they’re coming back. So clearly, that’s not a one way ticket, if they’ve experienced what they’re calling Hell, they shouldn’t be back on the planet, but they are to report to us, then, you know, listen to terms of the data, the research, everybody talks about the same thing, because I’m not only talking to people under hypnosis I’m talking to people are literally off the planet through mediums. And I’m also talking to people off the planet through a meditation where I just asking people to access people on the other side, and what people on the other side say, is consistent, which is there’s no such thing that hellacious pneus and evil and darkness and negativity is all a construct of the planet, which is a negative, positive place where we navigate. And it’s part of the thrill of the of the the ride, that we go on a roller coaster that we’re on where there is moments of sheer terror, and negativity, and then flying free. So I mean, that’s not to diminish, or to make less any of those experiences. Now, let’s go over to the Jesus fellow. So, you know, as you know, in my research, it really wasn’t until the third book hacking afterlife where I started to just report these conversations that people were having with somebody that they identified as Jesus, not like he was wearing a nametag. But then I asked him, so what does he look like? And, of course, some of the people have an idea, just like we’re talking about near death experiences, they have an idea, oh, he’s got blue eyes, and blonde hair. And this is what it looks like, some portrait they’ve seen. And sometimes while they’re talking to him in their mind’s eye, again, sometimes hypnosis, sometimes it’s a medium seeing him do more. So they, so they go, Well, he’s no longer or I’ll even ask the question. Because I’ll say, What does he look like? He’s got ropes on and these, there’s this light, and I’m really emotional. And I, which is, of course natural there. I don’t see him they do. I mean, if I saw him, I’d probably be the same way. But I always say, could you ask him to change his outfit into something more conducive to a conversation? It’s a simple request. You know, if you go to interview somebody who’s standing was on the top of a hill, and a chair and backlit, and you’re like, Could you come down for a second so we can like talk? He always changes. This is another weird factoid in the data. He always changes into the same outfit, really. And it’s Mmm hmm.


Kristin Taylor  19:41

He changed his into the same outfit, regardless of the person you’re talking to.


Richard Martini  19:46

Exactly. And that’s what makes it so bizarre. Because I’ll say what’s you wearing now? And they’ll say they describe the switches and then I’ll go have to tell us what, I’ll tell you. I’ll tell you. But they go, I because I started going away this I can does he have like a limited wardrobe? Does he not can? jeans and a T shirt? And I’ve said it oh, maybe it doesn’t tie? Oh, maybe more, maybe 20 where I’ll just say, I just and it’s a test for myself, you know, to see like, because if they go, No, he can’t, you know, no, he’s on a cloud and he’s in blue robes. That’s fine. I’m not knocking that. But they always say, oh, oh, before you even said that. You were about to say, could he? You said Could he? And suddenly he’s wearing jeans and a T shirt. I started asking him to say anything on the t shirt, like, step back. Hi, I’m


Kristin Taylor  20:40

Jesus. My name is.


Richard Martini  20:44

So I’m talking to Jennifer Schaefer. I listened to her all the time. And I had seen some mediums, you know, on YouTube who thought they saw Jamie Butler and Eric Meadows website, channeling Eric, she has a conversation with Jesus. And I was. And I was so like, what, what is this? And so now here, Jennifer is saying he’s in the room and she starts to cry, her face turns beet red, she can’t breathe. And I was like, Well, that happened to Jamie. So I asked the question, what, what’s happening? Why is it when people ask you to get close to them? Or you get close to them? They can’t breathe? And his answer? Unusual. He said, I brought more of source to my lifetime. And when people come closer to me, they feel that unconditional love. Very profound. He didn’t say my father or God or didn’t say any religious term. He just said I brought more of swords. But because I’m a little bit jaded and skeptical, trying to be I said to him, not so much with the Romans. And he laughed. And she said, He’s laughing. She said, I don’t know what that meant. But he’s laughing. Yeah. So I made a joke. I got a laugh from Jesus. Not so much of the Romans, meaning if you were so you know, when you were walking around the planet, people felt that and people do report that. That is in the data. Yeah, they go, Oh, my gosh, you know, I’m near him. And I feel this unconditional love coming from him. But I say not so much for the Romans, because clearly those guys were not a word didn’t have it. They weren’t having. Okay. So anyway, without getting into that, going down that pathway, which I do in my next book, I will I you know, I’m not gonna say it because I’m the you know, I don’t want to jinx it just because it’s a pretty good title. And whatever we’ll see, I you know, I It’s a little problematic, because it takes on, it takes, it takes on his story. And all I can say is this, in the let’s say, dozens of interviews where I’ve asked him the same questions I asked every time different people, atheists, skeptics, non religion, religious, different religion, Christians, doesn’t matter. Yeah, I asked the same questions. And he gives the same answers which are I will character, you know, whatever. The Bible is metaphor, not meaning it’s negative, meaning it’s like a poem, you’re supposed to translate it to help you. If there’s negativity, mentioned in the book that was written by humans. The stuff that’s about unconditional love is inspired. He says, You don’t have to follow me. But allow me to walk beside you. He says, All religions point to the same garden. It’s like a parable. And finally, when I asked him some questions about his life, because I asked very specific what happened then Then what happened? And I filmed people asking him that too. And he says, I said, so why are you why are you telling us this alternate story to your life? And he said, It’s not alternative. It’s true. Right? So


Kristin Taylor  24:17

okay, God, I want that book.


Richard Martini  24:18

All I can. That’s all I can say is like, I am going to report verbatim what he said or what these people claim, he said, and then let people decide for themselves, how much of it think they really want to hear.


Kristin Taylor  24:30

Well I want to hear it a lot. And it’s a really nice segue. You know, we talked about near death experience, and deeds that are negative or hellish. And then talking about the fact that you’ve got this new book coming, and it made me so curious in getting to know you and having these conversations with you. My perception is that you’ve fully committed your life to this purpose of revealing these messages, sharing these messages with the world. Tell us a little bit about spiritual spiritual alignment for you, given all that you’ve learned and how that shapes what you choose to do with the time you have on this planet.


Richard Martini  25:07

That’s a lovely way to put it. Well, I have to begin with the beginning, which is, you know, I live I’ve lived my life like anybody else, just every now and then you have something weird happened to you and you kind of categorize it as like, I remember asking my father Do ghosts exist? I don’t remember why I asked. But I remember asking and him saying no, they don’t. And of course, he doesn’t think that now. But at the time, I was thinking to myself, I mean, also throughout my life, I’ve had experiences seeing people that weren’t there. And I just assumed that some energy must be there or something. I didn’t really think about it. But then when a very close friend of mine passed away, the one Anders who mentioned her we’ve been together for about 20 years 10 has boyfriend a girlfriend and tennis best friends. She started visiting me and at first I thought, Oh, this is wishful thinking must be but then she started visiting people I know in love, and they could see her. So then I realized oh, I’m bias is forcing, you know, preventing me from just understanding what’s going on. And so she had been a Buddhist. And, you know, Nietzsche and shochu, SGI Nam Myoho Renge Kyo type, she’s in the movie last detail doing her gungho. But anyway, I thought, oh, maybe that’s the key. Maybe the reason that she’s able to come back so easily visit people is her like, we would think her upbringing her religion allowed her that. And so I I thought I think I’ll check out Buddhism and I was on the plane to New York City. And I opened this magazine. And there was an article about Uma Thurman’s father, Robert Thurman, who was the guy who runs Buddhist studies at Columbia University. Now, I was going to mention this to you, which is that I had met uma at Clinton’s inaugural, I was covering the music of the inaugural for variety. And I had met her like at some VIP, you know, thing. And I had this kind of weird experience of having a conversation with her feeling like it was outside of time. Like it froze, the time froze, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever we said, I don’t remember what it was. Just Hello, how are you? I like your work. But something strange about it. So much so that later on I started thinking like, well, am I supposed to work with her? I mean, who am I supposed to know her? That hasn’t happened in my career, I have friends who have worked with her. But when I picked up this article, The New York Times they were like, oh, that’s her father. Oh, that’s interesting. What’s this about? Oh, these are Buddhist? Oh, maybe if I study at his class, I’ll learn how I why I’m talking to my friend. So I called him up and I said, Can I audit your class? I was working for Charles Groden over NBC. And he said, No, it’s for. It’s for doctoral candidates. He said, How familiar are you with Hegel and Kant, and I said, they played for the 40, Niners. And he went, Okay, you can audit my class, which has led to this conversation. And he’s got me speaking at their conference, march 23, about the afterlife. But we became friends and I traveled with him to India, and I traveled with him to Tibet. For your viewers who are into that sort of thing, Tibetan Buddhism, there’s a lovely documentary we posted online called Journey into Tibet with Robert Thurman. And it’s two hours of a trip that we took through Lhasa and all the way across around Mount Kailash slash in there’s quite a few unusual things that happened to me on the trip of a spiritual nature, I won’t go into depth. That would be a six hour interview, but they’re detailed in the flip side. And that allowed me to sort of it’s see that the world might have shifted a little bit and then I’ll just go back to the lawanna story as she lay dying. She’s told me about some recurring dream that she had where she was in a classroom in the afterlife, but the way she put it was in another universe. And everybody in the class was dressed in white and they were speaking a language she had never heard before, but somehow she completely understood. And I thought, okay, that’s the morphine drip. For her cancer, you know, she must be hallucinating. But then the night she died of her close friend called me said I had this lovely dream. She was in a classroom and everyone was dressed in white and she seemed really happy. And then I circumstance of events, I picked up a copy of Michael and Newton spoke and one of the people that he was talking to was talking about a classroom in the afterlife. And I thought, okay, that’s obviously a bell went off in my head. And I started the documentary and I jaded skeptic, I must say, Hollywood guy. I thought, well, people are making this up must be based on their belief system. Yeah. But also the camera doesn’t lie. I mean, you can make it lie. But if it doesn’t lie if you just set it up and start filming, so I was started filming people under hypnosis, they allowed me to come and Michael Newton was given a conference. That’s the movie, Flipside and the film. But in the midst of filming for a couple of days, they said, you know, why don’t you try one rich, and then you can see for yourself and I thought, Oh, it’s a perfect way to prove it fake or false? Because I, I don’t believe I can be hypnotized. I didn’t believe in an afterlife, per se. I had had experiences, but I had no context for him. Anyway, unfortunately, after four hours, I was having the same experiences that everybody has, yeah, including, to get back to your question. Why did I do this? And so here I am talking in front of my counsel, which I had the experience of doing so and I saw these eight individuals who I don’t consciously know. But they seem to know me, like, literally the experience of going on stage with a group of people who can’t wait to laugh. And, and so when I’m standing in front of them, I’m having that experience of like, conversing and but I asked these questions that you’re supposed to bring to a session and the, and I, you know, the aside is that I had, I never thought I’d get anywhere. But I had written out like 10 questions, just in case. And so as I’m speaking, the hypnotherapist, Jimmy cost Eastern hypnosis says, Are you have these questions here? And I’ll draw me to read them. I said, No, you don’t need to, they’re already answering them. Because they had heard me the night before when I wrote them down or put them in my head. Yeah. And each one of them was more mind bending than the next. I talked about, you know, vaanam Populorum, a phrase I had heard in a dream. And then they answered what that meant, because it was lightning. Well, I heard this phrase, I woke up, I wrote it down. I found it like weeks later. Then I looked it up on him. Populorum. What does that mean? And it turns out, it’s a Latin phrase, never. I’ve never seen it’s never used in any literature. You can’t find it other than through me. It means annihilate vanity. And I thought, I live in LA where do I begin? Oh, good, Lord. But I was like, Who’s telling me to annihilate vanity? You know, and in Latin language, I don’t speak. I mean, I speak Italian. But so now here I am with my counsel. And I go, what’s the meaning of honor Populum. And I realized, you know, I thought Mike experiment was, well, that hypnotherapist doesn’t know that. So he can’t lead me to the answer. But little did I know, they answered and they said, rich, you gave it to yourself, you who know how to speak Latin, gave it to yourself. So you’d look it up, knowing that you’re a guy who looks stuff up, you would Google it and hear it and learn it. What does it mean? Annihilate vanity, beauty, fame, money, riches, wealth, everything that we add on to our lives, you know, the things that we strive for. If you can annihilate the vain ones, the ones that are about vanity success, fame fortune, you’re gonna get to the truth of why you’re on the planet was a revelation for me to hear it. Also, the guy that LEED council member said, well ask rich, like pointing to me, like see Matt be behind there? He said, Ask rich, he knows the answer. And I thought, well, Who’s he talking to? If he says Ask rich and he showed him a bubble of myself lying on the couch with a camera on me. And I realized he was talking to my higher self, right? That guy. And he was saying, Ask rich, because rich knows the answer, you see. So it’s a very convoluted, kind of anyway, so I get to the question, which is why why rich Martini? Why me? Why did I choose this goofy career, you know, I’ve written and directed like 10 feature films, eight, sorry to add to that some documentaries and stuff, you know, and pursuing the brass ring. You know, once you get it in your hand, you don’t want to let go. Doing all that. And still, to this day, you know, I wrote something for a universal couple of years ago. These things still are part of my, you know, raise on deck Zeitgeist. But what the council said to me was or they showed me that the life planning session, I had raised my hand and said, I think I can heal people with film. And they all laughed, like, oh, yeah, that’s a good one. What do you mean by that? And I said, I, you know, I think, filming people and teaching people and you can affect healing in a comedic way. And I even said, laughter is a direct way of changing someone’s physical, emotional disposition. I said in that sentence, tears work the same, but they require catharsis, a word I’ve never used in a sense before. But that idea of you know, you cry, and then you feel better. And then you get to the healing moment. But in laughter, just the hahaha, Robin Williams, the king of cathartic moments of laughter. You really, you can take somebody and really help them and heal them, by making them see things from a different perspective. And so I got that from my counsel. That’s why you chose to be here. And, you know, since then I’ve been here, I’ve been filming people accessing their councils. And it’s a wonderful way to ask that question over and over again. So why did our friend here? Why did Kristen choose to be Christian? And the answers are fascinating, because a lot of times they’ll say, she’s here to help people. Her podcast is going to heal people. There might be one person out there who goes through a transformation, hearing your words. And it’s hard to fathom, but it’s like a ripples out. cat playing the cat. The cats agree with me it ripples out into the universe.


Kristin Taylor  36:50

Yes, yes. That’s, that’s so that’s so moving. So I’m really hearing you say, among many things, this fidelity to that commitment is through your writing through the podcast that you’re doing through be interviewed being interviewed through the film?


Richard Martini  37:08

Well, I you know, to be honest, he’s always Yeah, let’s, let’s try it. Let’s try. I don’t kind of see it that way. I mean, because there are people that see it that way, this is my reason for being on the planet, I need to do this. I think it really came down to my cat playing the piano, I realized, no, I can’t talk to somebody, oh, I know what it was. Okay. It was my first one of my first times doing a book talk for the International Association of near death studies, here in Los Angeles. And I was talking about that, because it was a fascinating topic. You know, people don’t die, and you can access people who are still on the planet. And sometimes people have experiences that they planned in advance. That happens when we came up to me at the break and said, How dare you? How dare you? My daughter was murdered. And I can’t believe you’re trying to tell me that that was somehow a plan. You’re insane. And you’re, you’re gonna hurt people. I was like, oh, but sit down for a second. Yeah. So I looked her in the eye. And I said, Have you ever heard from her since she crossed? And she said, Yeah, I have. I said, what’s the experience? She said, I can sometimes smell her cologne and her perfume? And I said, No, she’s a happy person. And she said, incredibly. So I said, Well, do you think that maybe she would like you to be happy in her memory? And maybe to carry out some of the things that she can’t do? That she wanted to do? Would that be a way of sort of dedicating your life? And plus, it’s so hard to reach through all that emotion? Imagine how difficult it is for her to give you that sense that she’s around? Yeah. Anyway, so about a month later, I had to go back to the talk. And then about a month later, I was doing a talk in Santa Monica. And I saw this woman in the audience. And I went up to see how she was doing. And she had a copy of Flipside with all these little post it notes in it. And she said, I I came here because I just wanted to look you in the eye and thank you for saving my life. Oh, Rach, and I thought, that’s not a review I’m ever going to get for any movie I ever do. I mean, you know, you made me laugh. You made me cry, you rip me off, I want my money back. I’ve heard them all. I’ve had you know Siskel and Ebert gave me a thumbs way down for one of my films, which by the way, they apologized for on the flip side, but that being said, Here, I’m hearing that and I had the presence of mind to go okay, oh, that’s a reason to do this kind of work.


Kristin Taylor  39:54

Well, it’s interesting that you use the word presence of mind because that’s actually what I was going to say as well. So I imagine And then if someone were to say that to me and even you saying the words that she said to you, like I felt my heart sort of drop. Right? And that you had the presence of mind to move towards her. And to inquire, right, I think it’d be very easy to, for me at least to go into like, oh, gosh, I’m doing hormone, you know, self doubt and wonder, right like that, to me is a really human response, but that you leaned into it and created a connection to the thing that she cared most about. Right?


Richard Martini  40:30

Yeah, I will, I would like to give lawanna some credit for that. She was a terrific actress that a lot of her friends just considered are one of the great ones. Jack Nicholson mentions her in his Oscar speech for as good as it gets. But she was a masterful listener. And I used we used to go to parties and stuff. I remember she got it from her Buddhist background, I don’t know, but she could listen. So and, and I would walk away from close friends, you know, I’m going to get a drink. And then I come back and my friend would be sobbing. And you know, I would be like, what happened? And it was like, because she really draw drew out of them everything. And then at some point, I realized, Oh, my God, she’s acting like she’s listening. She is such a masterful actress.


Kristin Taylor  41:13

She was authentically.


Richard Martini  41:15

Was screened with laughter that because I had caught her in that, that act of handing so it is there is that thing of pretending to be listening? It’s what actors do really good actors. Listen, you know, the best actors really listen, and they make you believe they’re listening to the lines, you know, they’re not they’re not, they’re not memorized. But so if I learned anything from that, it’s it’s really not to act like a listener, but to listen, which is this woman was in pain. Yes. And And if what I’m saying is accurate, let’s just allow that if the architecture of the afterlife is pretty much as people are describing it, and I’m repeating it, then therefore, it must be that their loved ones have tried to reach out to them, because that’s what they all say. And the reason that they haven’t been able to get through often is the emotional reason freeze. All those things that you know, and working with Jennifer, her dad came through. And I had known her for, I think about a year or two, I didn’t she, she never talked about her dad, but he had passed away. And if his name came up, she just cried, she burst into tears. And so at some point, I thought, Oh, is he here? And then she said, Yeah. And I said, Well, let’s ask him, How do we help? What can we tell people to do to help with grief? I figured it was a topic he would know. And he said, try to move it to nostalgia. And I said, What does that mean? Jennifer said, I don’t know through tears, you know, she heard it, but didn’t know what it meant. And so I said, Well, could we ask him, because he’s here. And he said, grief is mostly sad memories. The soldier is both happy and sad memories combined. If you can move grief to NuSTAR, the saza begin to move it there, you begin the healing process, which is born out since he said it. I’ve heard it many times with different people. But that idea of, you know, if you can accept that it’s possible that life goes on. That’s the key. If it’s possible, then therefore, if that’s true, that it’s possible, even if it’s not, whatever people are telling you, it’s going to be reflexive, perhaps, then you can allow that it’s possible to communicate, to continue the conversation, that we know that love never dies. So then what’s a way of asking questions of people on the other side, and getting responses and there was, there was a moment when Michael Newton who I had done the documentary about he passed away and so I’m with Jennifer having lunch, and she goes, Oh, your friend is here. And I said, What friend? She said Morton, Morton. What was that? And then she said, you know, the guy made the documentary about I said, Oh, you mean Michael Newton. She went, Yeah. Whenever he shows up, she goes, Morton tear. I’m worried. But what he said, so I was going on the coast to coast that weekend. I said, well give me a 123. I asked him what he was doing on the flip side. And he said he was helping people to communicate. I said, do you mean people on the planet? He said no people over here, helping them to communicate with people here. I said, Okay, can you give us a 123? He said, Say their name. Ask them questions. And I said, That’s it. He said, Yeah, that’s it. There’s only two. And I said, Well, wait a minute. How about how do you how do you know if they’re the responses or wishful thinking? He said, when they answer the question before you can ask it, you’ll know you’ve made a connection. So I’ve demonstrated that with people and with Jennifer, the podcast, where I start a question, or this happened yesterday on a podcast yesterday where I was talking about one thing Steve Jobs came through. She works with one of his with his daughter. And so they so he shows up a lot. But he showed up to answer a question I had about something else. And in the course of the question, I was about to ask something. And he started talking about this other thing. And I realized, Oh, I was just about to ask that question. Suddenly, she said, Oh, he’s talking about this thing that are that are done. This is what you do. And here’s how you do it. He said, When you get out of your headspace and into your heart space, that’s a better way to communicate. Yes. And I said, Oh, well, what a perfect phrase from come from Steve Jobs. Yeah, don’t get I mean, we could be a company phrase get out of your headspace and into your heart space.


Kristin Taylor  45:52

Let’s let’s stay here with talking with people who’ve crossed over with Jennifer because there been a couple of ones that they always stand out. And I just have to say, and I think I sent this in an email to you. I love listening to your show, the two of you have this really beautiful dynamic. And it always gets back to essentially love and what I love about it is you guys aren’t just talking about love. There’s a palpable love energy between the two of you. So it’s just such a beautiful thing to witness as as someone who’s tuning into your podcast. And so like, yeah, yeah, I love you know, Robin Williams saying, love, love. And you guys often refer to that love love. There are two things and God Time goes by so quickly. I wanted to talk about as I shared with you, Prince for just a moment, I’ll tell you why. But then I want to talk about your connection to Amelia Earhart, because it’s a profound one. But I’ll start with Prince really quickly share it, I was like a die hard prints fan when I was when I was a teenager and really, really still am like, Jennifer. Yeah, yeah, I think she and I are I might be a little bit older than her. I was like, Oh, this this woman. I looked it up. So we’re the same generation. You recently were sharing about time, and you’d had a conversation, she had had a conversation with Prince and then a couple of episodes have gone by and then he showed up again. And I can’t remember who said that. But like, what does it feel like Prince since the last time we talked? And he said a coma? Very good.


Richard Martini  47:22

Exactly. He’s very specific to and I must say when he shows up, he talks about music quite a bit. The book tuning into the afterlife. There’s a lot of interviews with him that Jennifer and I did. And that in particular stood out because, you know, I, I’m, again, I’m trying to be honest and real and not too jaded. But you know, when she says Princess here, I immediately think, why, you know, what does he want to say? Or what’s the what? And so I mean, I wrote for variety, and I covered one of his shows, and I had no personal connection. I met him backstage, but you know, nothing, not that fan thing until literally afterwards, I realized, oh my gosh, this guy can do everything you play any instruments. But so he would come through and he wanted to talk and this is always the question, why are you here and they he wanted to talk about the angel that came to visit him when he was young. And he talked about that in life when he was a diagnosis epileptic and, and he was afraid it would never recover. And then Angel, whatever you want to call that. That was the vision he had came and said, everything’s gonna be okay, you’re gonna be fine. And that really helped him. So he wanted to converse about that and talk about what that experience was like. And it was it’s like also to tell people like, you can still reach out to people on the flip side. So I asked that simple, but it’s like a mathematical equation. So timewise we were speaking two months ago. What does it feel like to you? As opposed to me I know it was two months ago. And he said, like a coma. That also happened when I did a session with Jennifer, where I’m sorry, it was Scott tampil, where we did a hypnotherapy session. And it was two years after my first one. And I thought, well, this is a good experiment. I’ll see if I have a different experience. But it literally was like the gate had been left open in the backyard. I walked through it. And it was literally 20 seconds from where I had been to MIT two years ago. I was in the same spot. I was talking to lawanna. I had seen her in her classroom. And now she was taking me to her teacher and saying, I’m so sorry, my friend has shown up and interrupted your class. Very strange. Your friend is apologizing for your rude behavior. And I was suddenly consciously aware like, oh my gosh, I’m here. And this teacher who was eight feet tall, green, very, not human looking. This looking at me with a stern face. And he says so what do you want to know? So my consciousness was like in this moment, like I better have a question. So I was thank God for the presence of mine, like you say to say, so it was I accurate about the way that thing work that that had ended. And so he was answering that question. So I’m in the air and how did she fly? Out? Okay, she’s


Kristin Taylor  50:13

She, she flew out and she’s gonna fly in in just a moment, please, please stand by Sure. So the time thing, so he says a comment. So what’s really fascinating to me two things which contradict that. And I know, it’s ridiculous to say contradict, because our mortal sentient minds cannot conceive of things on the flip side in a way that they experienced them. So this is a practice perhaps in futility. However, when people have nd ease, they might be clinically dead for two minutes, five minutes, but they come back and report, I felt like I was there for 20 years for 10 years, or whatever it is, it’s always longer than what the actual time lapse scene has been on our earth time. So that’s one thing that makes me go home, just a comma. And then I also listen recently started listening to Sterling. He’s a psychic medium, and he’s someone I encourage you to check out, I’d be curious to get your thoughts. But he says, you know, time passes, like the speed of light over there, like things just move much more quickly. Like everything here is really, really slow. And so when I heard Prince say it feels like a coma. Does that mean and I’m now I’m sort of connecting the dots, especially with Hugo like the gates of the garden was remained open, I step right back where it was that perhaps our intersection with it, it stays, I don’t have the words for the seven how to explain it like it’s from the last time we were in that engagement. And you and Jennifer, without an engagement, it’s sort of that that portal stays open. So that might have been what he meant by…


Richard Martini  51:42

Well, let’s say, because it does come up a lot. And it’s that idea of like, there is no time people say that off, and there’s no time on the flip side, you know, you can go back, and then people talk about at some fates, or they go well, you can incarnate in any timeframe you want. Okay, that would be lovely, but it’s not at the data. So what is in the data? And my wife teases me about this, you know, of course, it’s possible that people’s experiences people’s experience, but what I’ve gleaned from what we’re talking about, is that time is relatively different. And it’s and so I’ve asked this question repeatedly to people show up from a long time ago. What’s it feel like to you? And the the mathematical equation I’ve come to is 25 years on earth feels like five or 10 minutes on the flip side. So if you lived 500 years ago, then it’s well, let’s say 2500 years ago, it’s 1000 minutes, like a week and a half ago, let’s say. So that to that paradigm is what is repeated sort of consistently. So for example, Mary Todd Lincoln came forward in a session where she I had said to Robert Kennedy, I’d like without thinking about it. I said, Well, you know, why are you so concerned about what he wanted to talk about? Who was involved with behind the scenes, machinations of his death, and his brother’s death? And I said, which is a weird thing for me to say, but I said, Why do you care so much about it? It’s like ancient history to a lot of people here, young people aren’t even aware of it. And so they just know it in history books. I wasn’t trying to be rude, but I was just saying it, you’re home, and you’re with your friends, and you realize the construct of why these things happen. So isn’t that like a bone? And Mary Todd Lincoln, what she came a week later and said, I want to correct you. For us. Things that occurred 60 years ago, or 160 years ago, in her case, feel like last week, or an hour ago. And so we’re still working those things out totally.


Kristin Taylor  53:52

But let me just go to the NDE and why their time feels so long.


Richard Martini  53:56

But let me just hold on. And so what then I was talking to a guide on the flip side, and I said, That question came up with this thing of no time, time down existing. And he said, when you’re off the planet, when you’re outside the realm of the universe that you exist in, you see things in a compressed way. So for example, he said, if you look at a string, and on a string, you have all of your lifetimes. And as you look at them, they you know, there’s one here, one here, one there and then you watch them march across, you are growing each time you’ll have a lifetime you learn something, he said, if you didn’t have time, you wouldn’t learn anything. Because you could always go back and change and fix the first mistake you made. He said, however, when you turn the string to your eye, all of them exist simultaneously. You can see them all like a 3d chess match. So it’s not that they exist at the same time, but it’s that you can see how a lifetime and 1700 the things that happen there affect my lifetime today. I’m going to be a die. After because I had cancer back then. And so all of those things sort of add up. But the compression is the awareness. So when you get to that, so when somebody has a near death experience, they’re outside of our timeframe, their conscious energy that’s here on the planet, we only bring a portion goes back home, there’s still some in the body, roughly 10%, usually, because they gotta stay alive, right? Until they’re not alive till that cord is cut that tethered cord, and now they’re aware of the consciousness back over there and over there. Let’s say it felt like 15 years, this happened yesterday, in the conversation with Jennifer, she was talking about dancing with her father, and she had this awareness of seeing her dead, and dancing and feeling the hair on his arms, smelling his cologne, and then suddenly realizing, Oh, you’re no, you don’t live anymore, you’re no longer alive. And then, you know, being crushed, and then him disappearing, which is what happens a lot of times when people doubt, or disbelief, or they go, Oh, you’re dead. And then they disappear. Right? The father said, Jennifer, we were dancing for a long time, like 15 years. And you’re your awareness over here is different. So it’s about our awareness here. When we come back, we try to contextualize it, we go and felt like, because sometimes people will see the timeline of all their lifetimes, they’ll see that like I said, that string thing, they see all of their journeys, and they, but they see it sequentially. They don’t see it simultaneously, they see one thing that the next thing and the next thing, but when they observed them all, they see it like from a huge timeframe of like 1000 years or 2000 years. So it’s the idea of, of trying to contextualize the experience. And when you come back, you go, I was there. And it was like I was, I know, I was only dead for 12 seconds, just like the movie contact. You remember, the more we contact the foster Yeah. Which was weird. When I sat in the theater. I by had had that experience. When I went to visit lawanna the first time, I had had an out of body experience, I went through some kind of wormhole. And while I was watching it on screen, I thought this is exactly what happened to me. And then I got to this other realm. And there she was coming up to me, before the movie come out, Oh, my God. But that idea of, you know, you remember, she goes through that time hole and it was 20 hours. You know, in Earth time, it was only a few seconds.


Kristin Taylor  57:39

Yes, I’d forgotten that scene. Exactly.


Richard Martini  57:43

There’s also like in the in the book, architecture, the afterlife, I’m talking to this woman without any hypnosis. And she’s aware, she while we’re talking, she becomes aware that she’s concurrently living a lifetime on another planet. And that other planet, the lifetime there is 400 Earth years. And then while she’s talking, she realizes that she’s had multiple lifetimes here on Earth. Some she likes some she didn’t like all of them about learning and teaching some sort of parent some kind of a scientific thing that people on that other planet are trying to get her to work on. So you think about that, you know, it’s like the movie Interstellar. Remember, they dropped out of the planet, and then like 40 Years go by great film, but you know, think they come down to this planet where time is completely different. And while they’re on the planet, trying to save one of their colleagues who’s dead, they get back in their ship, and they go back to the craft, it’s circling around this planet and 40 years have gone by. So time, let’s say is relatively different. And, and, you know, I mean, the only thing I can point to is quantum entanglement is an example where two things no matter where they are in the universe, they react simultaneously. There’s no message, there’s no timeframe. It’s, you know, the thing that Einstein was, had a bugaboo, but it’s this idea that you can experience things outside of our timeframe. So when you try to contextualize it around that physical, you know, an hour, two hours, three hours, you know, you and I spoke but a month ago Yeah, round Lamar feels like feels like 10 minutes ago, doesn’t it? I know. I know. Right? Here she is. She’s flying back in


Kristin Taylor  59:38

Okay. Emilia. There she has Yeah, beautiful. You have quite a relationship with Amelia can you and I and we’re running low on time with speaking of so can condensed version.


Richard Martini  59:51

Condensed version is that my girlfriend from high school wrote to me a letter after my second film came out limit up and she said it You should make a movie about Amelia Earhart. And I said, why? She said, because no one has. And I did the research and I started working on a story she actually flew out helped me with the story. And but ultimately, that’s when I discovered there were reports that she had possibly disappeared and been taken to Cyprus. And I thought, well, let’s examine those reports. They are true or they not. And there’s a lot of people say that’s not true. I’ve been discipled. And I’ve done a lot of research. I’ve interviewed 15 people who saw her there. I’ve interviewed US Marines who found her plane there. There’s a guy from Seattle, Deke Spink, who found pieces of her plane there that have been verified by an NTSB, former guy, that’s all about my research. So for 30 years, I had researched her and when Hillary Swank was going to make her movie, they hired me as their research guy. Anyways, I had three different mediums to just spontaneously say somebody wants to talk to you. It’s a female pilot. Her name’s Amelia, what? So now when I talked to Jennifer, I meet Jennifer on the phone and she says, Well, I work for I help law enforcement with missing person cases. That’s when I went alright. Well, do you want to work on the most famous missing person case? I didn’t say who was? She said? Sure. So I went over to her office. And for three hours, I talked to somebody who knew as much about Amelia story as I did. I had just come back from cypass Jennifer drew a map of SIPE had where I had been, she had never heard of it. And so so But basically, the the questions that I asked her consist are the same. I asked Amelia, who was the love of your life. What happened, you know, things that people don’t really know. And everybody repeats the same things. And so, in a nutshell, yes, she landed the plane and Millia tal on 100 atoll. The plane was destroyed, the part of the carriage broke open, but the plane was intact. They put it on a Japanese ship, she was arrested. She was 200 miles north of where she was supposed to be. She was taken to Sai pan the military headquarters of the Pacific. And she was kept there in incarceration for seven years. Her her navigator was executed for being a spy. And numerous islanders saw her there, saw her, you know, whatever, and I filmed them. And I filmed corroborating testimony. The point is that her story hasn’t been told, No one’s told her story. But it’s not just about that she was a spy or that she was incarcerated. That’s horrible. That’s an awful story. It’s that she was to preferred women that she had to hide that an entire live Academy time my cat wants to agree. Anyway, and there’s so many secrets that she had her father was an abusive alcoholic. He was put in prison for it. It’s just things that never were told about her life. She had to hide who she was. She married George Putnam, George, take it easy. She married George Putnam, who knew that she preferred women because his wife walked in and the three of them in bed together. And I heard that from Elgin long, the famous writer and I said, Elgin, why don’t you put that in your book? And he said, I thought she was making that up. The wife saw them, the three of them together. So I’ve asked these questions to Amelia. Why do you want your story told? Yeah. Why is it important? What do you and so she’s been waiting, let’s just say I’ve got a project that I take around. And I try to say, Look, guys, let’s make the story. It’s wonderful. It’s an honor of her. And all I can say is, somebody might make it without me. It’s possible. I have no control over that. I feel that she deserves to have her story told by whoever tells it. Because it’s not up to me.


Kristin Taylor  1:03:56

It’s not up to you. But what I also heard from Jennifer channeling her is that she would love it if you would. She’s really sort of like..


Richard Martini  1:04:04

Yeah, apologies for the vacuum guy out in the hallway. clean house. So somebody’s out there. I don’t know. But anyway, yeah, I listen, I and I always spend a little part of my day working forward, you know, trying to help somebody come to the realization and you know, I have to allow that. Maybe I’m not the right guy to tell it. But maybe I’m the guy who influences the people who tell it. Sure. You know, maybe that’s a producer’s role, but you know, that’s fine. I don’t, I’m just trying to honor her in that way. She’s a very unusual person. And believe me, it’s was startling to have three different mediums say the exact same things. In fact, in one case, and that was the Jamie Butler, interview, that Elise Madhouse document who was was going to do an interview with somebody with Amelia Earhart. And I said, Well, can I supply the questions? So she let me do that I wasn’t there. her, but she’s asking these questions. And then she got to the one where How did you die? And Amelia response was I don’t want to talk about that. But if the person who who crafted these questions wants wants to interview me privately, I’ll tell him. That was me. Yes, but when I but I didn’t hear it in the context of the session. I thought that was Jamie talking like she wants to you see, it wasn’t Jamie. It was Amelia. It took me two years before I transcribed that and realized that’s an hacking the afterlife.


Kristin Taylor  1:05:34

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that is channeling Arik…A-R-I-K and his mother and she works with mediums. That’s right. We always have to wrap up.


Richard Martini  1:05:46

Oh, keep talking.


Kristin Taylor  1:05:49

Well, I could just listen to you all day long. How I so I like this idea around life purpose if anyone takes any from anything from the show, because I believe that there are guides orchestrating the much like you said, like if I go and Christian show that maybe one person will find healing or a message that they need at the right time. Is there any message that you hope people take away from having tuned in with you today? That just feels most…


Richard Martini  1:06:19

Resonant…Well, I want to say that the sound of your voice, you have a really wonderful, Maloof mellifluous voice. And I have a feeling that it probably helps people because it probably goes right into the back of their neck, and allows them. So if anything, it’s it’s really, that this quote from Steve Jobs, which is from yesterday’s hacking the afterlife podcast, you know, get out of your headspace, and get into your heart space. You know, the heart is this motor and this engine that we don’t really understand. If you you know, when they show you these vivid images from outer space, and you see humans walking in their infrared, you see a little red dots, that’s not your head, they’re saying it’s your heart. That’s the engine that they can see. And apparently they say that those connections reach out for like, yards anyway, that to connect with your family, your pets, you know, and this idea that Robin Williams repeats it over and over again, which is we asked him for a blurb for the book hacking the afterlife, and his blurb was love. Love, which is so profound.


Kristin Taylor  1:07:31

It’s so simple, profound and simple. So beautiful. I love it so much. So once again, thank you for joining us. It’s just such an honor.


Richard Martini  1:07:39

I’m always available. It’s fun to talk to you.


Kristin Taylor  1:07:43

Be careful what you what you say.


Richard Martini  1:07:46

Again, obviously, and you know, it’s funny, it’s maybe we’ll continue doing this for years. Who knows it’s fine anytime. I’m happy to chat. I appreciate your research and all the work you do and all the people you help and heal. So keep up the good work, Kristin.


Kristin Taylor  1:08:02

Likewise, Rich. Thank you.


Richard Martini  1:08:05

Thank you very much. Bye, bye.


Kristin Taylor  1:08:09

Thank you so much, Richard for sharing your experiences and insights once again, it’s always such a joy. If you’re enjoying these podcasts, I ask that you share them or write a review. We need your help in getting these important messages out there. sound engineering for today’s show was provided by Shane Suffriti. To learn more about Shane, please visit If you’re looking to increase your own wellness, reduce your anxiety, self doubt or deepen your own personal or spiritual awareness. These are the areas I specialize in as a coach and would love to explore working with you. Please reach out to me at Thank you for tuning in. And we’ll see you next time on How I Made It Through.


EIQ Media, LLC  1:08:59

How I Made It Through is produced and distributed by EIQ media LLC. Elevate your emotional IQ with podcasts and content focused on overcoming adversity, leadership, mental health, entrepreneurship, spiritually transformative experiences and more.