Richard Martini: [00:00:00] All religions point to the same garden. The idea of being love, your neighbor as yourself is the same method or path to get to the same idea.

Kristin Taylor: Hello everyone. I am here again today with Rich Martini. So let me tell you a little bit about Rich. You should know about him thus far. He is been on the show twice, but I’ll give you his bio. But before I give you his bio, we were gonna go in one direction. We were gonna be talking about his book, the Greatest Story, never Told As Told by Jesus and tho those who knew him.

And there is so much there, which is why he will be a recurring guest on season three. So monthly we’re gonna have an opportunity to connect with him and his book. [00:01:00] Um, but before we get started, even with his bio, I wanna give a shout out and a dedication to someone who is not here with us. She is still on the planet.

She just gave birth. is the behind the scenes magician, my dear friend, the assistant to the show that. Name is much too diminutive for her power and her influence, my dear friend Courtney. So we love you Courtney. I love you Courtney. Know that you are missed, take care of yourself and that little boy Jamison, and we all love you.

Richard Martini: Congratulations.

Kristin Taylor: Yes. So who is Rich Martini? Well, in his own words, he says, I am a writer slash director of theatrical motion pictures. I’ve written and or directed eight feature films including Limit Up and You Can’t Hurry. Love. I’ve written 10 bestselling books, Kindle in their [00:02:00] genre about the research of what people say under hypnosis about the afterlife, and recently books with the help of a medium talking directly to folks no longer on the planet. I’ve written an unproduced miniseries for H B O, the Dimenes scripts for major film studios, including David Kirkpatrick, who generously agreed to write the fore to the forme book about Jesus. After nudging me into writing the book, worked for Robert Town, thank Chinatown, Philip Noyce salt. It’s not like I’m seeking this line of investigation.

He says, when we start talking about the stories of Jesus, he says, it literally fell into my lap. But Rich also offered to do something quite unexpected, and I said, life is weird and unexpected. Let’s follow it. I’m gonna hand it over to you, and thank you once again for being on our show.

Richard Martini: [00:03:00] Well, thank you so much, Kristen. It’s, you know, it’s such a treat to talk to you. I’m bereft to hear that you were in the Santa Monica neighborhood recently and I missed, I didn’t get a chance to have coffee with you, but I’m, it’s probably for your, your benefit. ’cause I tend to talk and trap people in coffee shops in Santa Monica for days at a time.

Um, well let’s just talk a little bit about this book to begin with. And, and that is, uh, it came from, because it was a couple of talks in a coffee shop in Santa Monica. I mean, One of was, one of which was a, uh, fellow from India was over in LA visiting some family members. And he reached out to me and he had heard me talking on perhaps a podcast.

It might have been, I don’t remember how he found me, but, uh, he had had a recurring dream about Jesus and he wanted to ask me, oh, ’cause in the flip side, there is a [00:04:00] woman who had a, who had an experience during a past life regression where she felt like she saw Jesus and heard him speak, et cetera, et cetera.

And she talked about him in a very specific way about what he looked like and the kind of person he was at the time. I thought it was very unusual. As you can imagine, I had filmed a number of people doing past life regressions. Um, I should actually mention that it was the day before her session where I was talking to Scott Deam, a hypnotherapist in Claremont, California.

And I was saying, you know, it’s funny, I was editing my book Flip Side and there’s this subject, this section in there where Paul Orin, the former president of the Newton Institute, said, I, you know, ’cause he had conducted a session where a person remembered being in the Holocaust. And I wondered, you know, do hypnotherapist hear from a lot of people who remembered lifetimes like that?

He said, no. In my practice I get a lot of people who remember a lifetime with [00:05:00] Jesus or were profoundly affected by his life. I thought that was interesting. I said, well, did they describe how he looked? You know, like if he had red hair and freckles, if everyone said the same thing, you know, then we’d know maybe that they had seen the same person.

He said, no, I never asked the question. He laughed and now I’m telling this to Scott over the phone. And the next day we’re we do, I film a session with a friend of mine whose mom had passed away. She was quite distraught. I suggested that maybe hypnotherapy would help her to access her mom. And so we did.

And she did. And but in the course of the conversation, Scott said, let’s go back to an earlier lifetime that has some significance to this lifetime. And she said, okay, I’m in Jerusalem and it’s the year 18. And I, Scott said, is this 18 something or something? 18? And she said, I’m just getting 18. [00:06:00]So I grabbed a post-it note and wrote, ask her if she met Jesus.

’cause you know Jerusalem of the year eight, you know, 18 maybe. So he, Scott, you know, took his time to get around to the question. He said, have you ever been in public and heard people speak? And she said, I am standing 10 feet from Jesus. And then, Scott asked her, well, what does he look like? You know, what color is his hair?

What, what does his face look like? What color is his eyes? Those kinds of very specific details. But I just thought it was so, um, oddly coincidental that the night before we’ve been talking about this and now here’s this friend who was, is not religious, was not religious. She collected crosses though for some reason her whole life, but she saw him speak.

She didn’t see him on the cross or any of that stuff, but that’s what was her memory anyway. And from that point, I started getting a lot of people reaching [00:07:00] out to me and saying, I have this recurring dream. And so this fellow from India in a coffee shop in Santa Monica recounted, recalling being there at the event.

And so I started to have like a list of questions that I would ask very simple questions. You know, what does he look like? Is he tall? Is he short? What’s he wearing? What color is his eyes? Sometimes people would say blue, like they had seen that visual, you know, that painting when they were a kid. But then in the midst of that conversation would say, oh no, no, I’m sorry, his eyes are brown.

And then I’d say, well look at ’em really carefully. And then they describe a particular color, which I try not to judge other than to say everybody says the same thing anyway. And the point is that doesn’t mean it’s him. Of course it doesn’t. It just means everyone’s getting this same information. Then I ask questions like, oh, [00:08:00] why are you here?

Or, you know, what’s the point of of you showing up today? Or, uh, what’s your journey about? I say things like, um, what’s it like for you to observe us? Uh, is there any message you wanna pass along? And then I started asking ’em to do things like, I would say, could you change into a different outfit? ’cause people would sometimes say, oh, I see I’m, you know, bathed in light wearing these blue robes.

Uh, and I’d, but because that’s a little difficult to converse with somebody that you’re, you know, completely in awe of, yeah, you’re having like this epiphany I’d say, could you ask him to change into something, um, more conducive to conversation. And what I found was he would always change, he would always change whatever that means into the same outfit.

So that became a little bit weird. People had never met each other. [00:09:00] I had never written anything about this research, but he was continually changing into jeans and a t-shirt almost as if that’s all he had in the, in the wardrobe,

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: or if that just means like casual to everybody you see. So I stopped kind of judging that part of it.

And then I would ask him questions about, um, his journey. And he started weaving a story that was contrary to what I had heard. What I grew up with, uh, grew up Catholic, you know, was an altar boy was kind of familiar. My uncle was a priest, parish priest. And so I’m pretty familiar with his story as it was told.

Kristin Taylor: Right.

Richard Martini: Um, but at the same time not familiar with the story he was telling anyway. And so I would ask him to give us or give me, um, things in [00:10:00] answer to questions that I had. And it didn’t matter if I was talking to a person who was using guided meditation. Didn’t matter if somebody under hypnosis, you know, hypnotherapist has got them there.

They’re saying, I’m seeing Jesus. I’m passing notes. And it didn’t matter if I was talking to a medium who was saying, I’m seeing Jesus in the room. I’d ask the same questions and he would say things like, the Bible is metaphor. You have to judge everything by who is writing it, who’s writing the passage,

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: and whether it’s geared to what they want people to hear.

Metaphor meaning, you know, meta, everything is metaphor, poetry, poems, movies, metaphor for things in life, not negative, just metaphor.

Kristin Taylor: Right.

Richard Martini: Then I would ask, so is it true that people can only follow your religion? You know the religion named after you? And he would say, no,

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: you don’t have to follow me, but let [00:11:00] me walk beside you.

Kristin Taylor: Yeah,

Richard Martini: would say, all religions point to the same garden. The idea of being love, your neighbor as yourself is the same method or path to get to the same. Idea. Um, and then I asked him, after years of hearing these different, you know, interviews, why are you telling us this alternate version of your life? And he said, well, rich, it’s not alternate if it’s true.

And he said that more than once. You know, so different people. So when you hear something like that, you think, okay, alright, this is very strange what I’m hearing. Anyway, I set it all aside. I published some of it in Hacking the Afterlife, um, and people can find that online, the book Hacking the Afterlife.

Um, because I just felt like I was being dishonest by not [00:12:00] publishing it, by not saying what people were saying. Um, and then I thought, okay, I’m done with it. Okay, I said it, I repeated your story. But then more stories would happen. More people would come forward and. And, and ultimately it was, uh, David Kirkpatrick former, uh, president of Disney and Paramount who reached out to me and said, uh, you know, I’ve read some of the things that you’ve written.

Do you have a chronological storyline of his life? You know, from the first, his first memories or other people’s first memories of him? And I did. And so he said, well, I think you should put that together. And so for about two years, I let him take it around to all the major. Well, an agent took it around to all the major publishing houses, and they all said, who’s Rich Martini?

Or, you know, uh, how do we sell this? You know, based on what this filmmaker’s idea, I mean, what is this? I’m just [00:13:00] saying, I’m paraphrasing. The answer was just no. But, but then I just thought, you know what? It’s time to let the cat out of the bag. And so it came out in, uh, Easter, April this year. Um, anyway, so it is a fascinating journey.

I don’t recommend it for everybody because it does, it does make some people uncomfortable to hear these stories. Again, they’re not my opinion, it’s not my theory and it’s not my belief. I’m reporting as best as I can as a filmmaker, filming somebody, asking them questions, and then using the transcripts to tell that story.

So it kind of goes A, B, C, D, E, F, G.

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: And the, the book ends with a very unusual interview I did with Jamie Butler, uh, a, a medium. You know who she is? Yeah. Jamie [00:14:00] Butler from Atlanta. What makes it an unusual interview was, Somebody who was in the book reached out to me and said, um, you’re not gonna believe this, but Jesus was in my kitchen last night.

What? She said, she was washing dishes and she looked outta the corner of her eye and saw him standing there and he said, you need to reach out to Richard and tell him to go and see Jamie Butler, you know, my press agent in South Carolina. And, uh, so she reached out to me and I thought, hi, Jamie Butler’s in Atlanta.

I’m not gonna fly. You know what? But then I found out she was in la like you were in LA and she was speaking. And so I thought, well, I’ll go, I’ll see, whatever. So I went down there and I ran into her before I went into the event and I said, you know, you’re not gonna believe why I’m here, a, B, c, D, you know, this woman wrote to me and she said, well, why don’t you come back on Sunday and let’s see if we can have a conversation with him.

I thought, oh, [00:15:00] that’s great. Okay. But I didn’t bring my camera, I just brought my cell phone.

Kristin Taylor: Which is a camera.

Richard Martini: which is a camera, but at the same time it’s, you know, you’re looking at something that looks kind of, anyway. Sure enough, uh, the way it worked out is she brought in somebody that she channels a woman named Grace, who was a Victorian woman.

I didn’t know that this was her process. And Grace handles her sort of high profile interviews, let’s call it that.

Kristin Taylor: It doesn’t get more high profile than this.

Richard Martini: it doesn’t. And so for the next two or three hours, um, she just channeled what he had to say and he started by saying, Richard, I’d like to thank you for, you know, including this conversation and what you’re doing, and then I’d like to say the following.

And he ended up speaking for about an hour, let’s say, that I filmed on my cell phone. Uh, but I had set it aside because the book Hacking the Actor life had already [00:16:00] come out. I just, I went like, oh, that was weird.

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: Yeah, but now here I was putting it together and I realized, oh my gosh, everything he said through her is echoed throughout this book.

So the book ends with this interview with Jesus through Grace via Jamie Butler. Um, and it’s profound stuff about health and wealth and, you know, traipsing through life and beauty and the, you know, the Bible and stuff to examine.

Kristin Taylor: yes, yes. So moving, so moving, I encourage people also to go to channeling Eric e r I K where they can find an interview where Jamie Butler and, um, Lisa and I can’t remember her

Richard Martini: Elisa me, yeah.

Kristin Taylor: yes. Eric’s mom, where they’re having a conversation. And you mentioned this in the book where it is recorded and there is a [00:17:00] moment where there is a bit of audio that is a unexpected.

Richard Martini: And it blew my mind. Uh, and let me just explain the sort of odd coincidence of how that happened. Okay. Um, can we pause for one second?

Kristin Taylor: Of course,

Richard Martini: Oh, you guys, I’m on. I’m live, so keep Could you keep it down please, Liv? Yes, I’m live. Thanks. Okay. Sorry.

Kristin Taylor: no worries. We all have lives.

Richard Martini: Let, 3, 2, 1. So let me tell you the story of how I met Dr.

Mehos. It was kind of unusual. I was at the LA Film Festival. Um, I didn’t know she was gonna be there. She had her book, uh, my Life After Death by her son who had passed away. I heard her talk about it and I went up to her afterwards and I was like, And she was talking about her website channeling Eric.

And I said, um, [00:18:00] boy, you guys should interview someone like Amelia Earhart. I had spent like 30 years researching her, and she said, we’re talking to her Tuesday. So I said, well, would you do me a favor and show me the questions? Send me the questions. And they were like, the Wikipedia questions you’d have.

And so I gave her very specific questions, what to ask her, um, based on my research, you know, stuff people don’t know. And so that was fascinating. I, you know, they did that, they filmed that interview. They used my questions, the questions are mind bending. And then as a result of that, I looked up the website to see like, well, who else have you interviewed?

And I saw an interview with Jesus. So, and that had just happened. And so I am listening to it and I, through my headset, I hear voices whispering in the background. So I reached out to her and I said, um, Uh, you know, where do you record? Was there somebody in the room talking? Because you can hear people talking.

She said, [00:19:00] no, it’s completely silent. She reached out to Jamie. Jamie said the same thing. So I took the sound and slowed it down ’cause it was hard to hear what they were whispering. Two people, whispering, slowed it down. I sped it up. There’s a phenomenon in science where if you scramble a sentence and then play it for somebody, most people can’t understand it.

But once your ear does understand it, you can’t unhear it. So I slowed it down. I sped it up, and it turns out that at one and a half times the normal recording, you can hear someone clearly saying, uh, why don’t you talk about selflessness? And then the response is, we’ve already talked about selflessness.

Um, you wouldn’t hear it if you didn’t have context for it. And then there’s also this moment where, uh, I think Dr. Meadows asked, so [00:20:00] have you reincarnated? And you clearly hear a person say yes on the audio, and then Jamie’s listening, and she goes, he says, yes. So I sent that to her and she was, anyway, so they posted that and so you can actually listen to it and see it, et cetera, et cetera.

You know? Are we saying that Jesus is talking on the tape? I mean, look, that’s the, that’s the headline.

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: Uh, have I asked him if that’s him talking on the tape? He said yes. So what can I say? Other than you can hear clearly someone whispering, but recorded at a different speed, which is physically impossible to do.

You know, we’re recording our sound. At this rate, it would be to have somebody else standing behind me and talking at a faster rate. You know, you see, so that’s what makes it a sort of uncanny and, and interesting.

Kristin Taylor: Yes. Well, I love it. There’s so much a, again, um, I [00:21:00] was saying this to you before we started recording, but um, the book I found so captivating. It was hard to put it down, and I got to listen to your audio and my Saturdays were filled with these stories, whether I was working out or walking or driving.

It was like, oh man, now I have to get back to my life. But because people had such different religious and spiritual and cultural backgrounds, were currently saying very, very similar, if not the same things. And the stories really were about remembering to love. so much more detail and people going back in past lives and actually witnessing the crucifixion and then this other story that next time we meet, I hope to unravel and reveal, um, about a very alternate story, um, of the life of Jesus.

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Kristin Taylor: Lots of details that I’m hoping you can share, but prior to us coming on, I’m actually, right now, I don’t feel nervous in [00:23:00] my body if I let myself go there. I do. But you, you extended an offer.

Richard Martini: Alright, so let’s do, uh, I’ll tell you what, let’s just do a, uh, guided meditation and, uh, for everybody listening in, if you’re driving your car while you’re listening to this, do not follow my instructions. But if you’re sitting at home in a chair, You can follow this guided meditation.

Anybody can. It’s just very simple. I’m a filmmaker. I’m not a, uh, psychologist. I’m not a meditation expert. However, I have learned meditation techniques from Robert Thurman, Uma’s dad, when we were in Tibetan India. I would listen to his version of a guided meditation. Um, and so then I was filming these people talking about the afterlife, or talking about visiting councils or talking about whatever, and I realized I could ask those same questions and not go through the preamble of, of preparation.

However, that being said, [00:24:00] for those who are debating whether to do a guided meditation to, to talk to the afterlife or their loved ones or whatever, I highly recommend hypnotherapy because in the four to six hours that it takes for a Newton Institute train hypnotherapist, The resonance is much stronger ’cause it stays with them.

’cause I’ve done this guided meditation with people and then I ask them, you know, a year later, what do you remember? And they go, nothing. You know? So, but, uh, just, I thought, well, let’s just see where we can go. Uh, let’s see if I can ask Kristen some questions about visiting, uh, with her teachers and her guides and see who might wanna come by and chat with her.

It could be, they could say no, and sometimes they do. They go, no, sorry, this isn’t the right venue. Especially if they don’t know me, but some of ’em do. All right, so here’s my simple, easy

Kristin Taylor: I know what you’re gonna say.

Richard Martini: to talk you into another [00:25:00] world. So, Kristen, I just want you to picture yourself in a boat on a river. And can you do that?

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: Okay. So tell me, what does the boat look like?

Kristin Taylor: I caught like a Mark Twain, Steamboat

Richard Martini: Oh, like a paddle wheel.

Kristin Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. Like a paddle

Richard Martini: Have you ever seen a paddle wheel live or up

Kristin Taylor: only in the movies.

Richard Martini: Only in the movies. Okay. And I’m gonna ask you some questions about this paddle wheel boat. Um, when you’re looking at it, where are you? Are you in the front or the back?

Kristin Taylor: Well, right now as I’m looking at, I’m actually as if I am on the shore looking at it, but you asked me to picture myself on a boat on a river. So now I am on just sort of, and I’m not a boat person, so I don’t even know the terminology. I’m in the front of the boat

Richard Martini: of the boat. Front of the paddle wheel, boat or another boat? Looking at that boat.

Kristin Taylor: [00:26:00] Uh, front of the paddle wheel boat.

Richard Martini: Okay. It’s, you know, it’s allowed, it’s your boat. So, um, but I mean, if we were gonna walk around the deck of the boat, Uh, would we see a name and if we would, whatever comes to mind. Don’t try to judge it. It’s not that important. But do you see a name of a boat?

Kristin Taylor: Well, I’m judging it, but it said carnival ’cause that goes to Carnival Cruises, but that’s what came up.

Richard Martini: Okay, well Carnival, let’s not judge it. I mean, there could have been a paddle wheel boat. That’s the great thing about boats when you find out the name of the boat, boats are all registered somewhere. And when I ask you a date of an, you know of in whatever the date comes to mind, try not to judge that.

What’s a date that pops into your head?

Kristin Taylor: I am judging it, but you told me not to. 1876.

Richard Martini: 1876. Let’s not judge it. Everyone’s out there with their, their computer looking up. Carnival Boat, 1876. Um, and what state are [00:27:00] we in? Are we in the United States? Are we somewhere else? Where else we’re in? You nodding yes. In the United

Kristin Taylor: Yeah. Or in the,

Richard Martini: are we in? If we could call it a state?

Kristin Taylor: somewhere in the south

Richard Martini: Somewhere in the south.

Kristin Taylor: Mississippi,

Richard Martini: a few Mississippi. Alright. The mighty Miss and the Mississippi. Alright, very good. And the, and the reason isn’t, not to say that this is real, but this is what’s coming to you. It’s to allow that, alright, so you’re on the deck of this paddle wheel and let’s invite somebody. Oh, but what does the river look like?

Is it big? Is it wide? Is it narrow,

Kristin Taylor: it’s big and it’s wide and it’s kind of murky and muddy.

Richard Martini: murky, and muddy? And when you look to the shore, do you see trees or what do you see on the shore? Docks.

Kristin Taylor: Yeah, I see more docs and, um, everything’s kind of [00:28:00] gray and brown.

Richard Martini: Okay,

Kristin Taylor: Yeah, it’s kind of an overcast day.

Richard Martini: All right, very good. And so let’s slow down the wheel because I don’t want you to be floating away into some, somewhere. We don’t wanna be, let’s just, the wheel is going slow or whatever. Um, and I wanna invite someone to come and sit with us. And let’s just pretend we’re sitting on a bench up on the, the deck front of the boat and across from you was another bench.

And just invite somebody, uh, could be your guide, could be a friend. And what comes to mind? Male, female, a light,

Kristin Taylor: A woman. A woman, and she’s wearing kind of Victorian garb

Richard Martini: Okay. Very good. And she’s dressed appropriately. Is this woman look familiar to you? Have you seen her before?

Kristin Taylor: No, I’ve never seen her.

Richard Martini: Okay, so very good. How far away is she from you?

Kristin Taylor: About four feet.

Richard Martini: About four feet. Okay. Very [00:29:00] good. First things first, let me, Thank her for coming to hang out with us and I’m gonna ask her some questions. Let me see first, is it okay if I ask her questions? She can nod, shrug, or shake her head.

Kristin Taylor: Yeah,

Richard Martini: Okay.

Kristin Taylor: nice. Yeah, she’s very

Richard Martini: And what’s a first name that we can use to as to, to converse with her?

Kristin Taylor: I heard Thelma.

Richard Martini: Very good, Thelma. That’s fine. Nice to meet you Thelma. Thank you for allowing us to have this conversation. Thelma, let me ask you, are you familiar with my work?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Okay, very good. What’s your opinion of it?

Kristin Taylor: She says it’s lovely.

Richard Martini: Okay, very good. The reason I ask that is because it allows me to know what questions to ask next. Thelma. So you know what I’m gonna ask next, because you’re familiar with my work. So should we go and visit, uh, [00:30:00] someplace else? You want to take, uh, our friend Kristen to first, how do you think Kristen’s doing?

Kristin Taylor: She. She says she’s, she says she’s proud.

Richard Martini: She’s proud.

Kristin Taylor: Yeah.

Richard Martini: So you approve of what she’s doing and you’re proud. And let me ask you, are were, did you plan for us to have this conversation today or is this like a coincidence?

Kristin Taylor: This is a coincidence.

Richard Martini: Okay. Very good. Thank you. Um, so what would you like to show our friend, Kristen?

Kristin Taylor: I now see a, I dunno if I’m making this up or not, but I’m just gonna go with whatever’s coming up. I now see a grove.

Richard Martini: Okay. I, like I say, try not to judge it.

Kristin Taylor: Okay. I’m trying really

Richard Martini: we can always look at it later. Right? We can judge it later. We can go, oh my God. I was watching a TV show called The Grove. No. So let’s, [00:31:00] let’s just allow, it’s a grove. Okay. And so kind of describe the grove. Are there fauna, flora, what’s around?

Kristin Taylor: there’s, there’s fauna, there’s flora, there’s um, there are stone benches in a circle and the ground is dusty and dirty, but it’s shady. Although there are, um, beams of sunlight

Richard Martini: Beautiful.

Kristin Taylor: in.

Richard Martini: And let me ask you to go up to the nearest tree and just put your hand on the tree. What does it feel like when you do that?

Kristin Taylor: It’s, it’s, uh, redwood and it’s, um, kind of fibrous and peay.

Richard Martini: Peely. Okay. And do you sense any sentience or being associated with this tree that you have your hand on? I,

Kristin Taylor: yeah.

Richard Martini: is it a male or a female or neither or both?

Kristin Taylor: [00:32:00] It’s neither and both.

Richard Martini: So let me ask this tree. Can I ask you some questions?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Have you incarnated on the planet before or is this, you only exist here in this sort of mental construct?

Kristin Taylor: Never incarnated.

Richard Martini: Never incarnated. Okay. Very good. But do you have an opinion about how humans treat trees and why we, what our journey is with trees? What’s, what’s a, our best way to change the climate or to help climate change?

Kristin Taylor: Start by loving yourself and recognizing that we are all linked.

Richard Martini: Very good. That we’re all linked. Should, did Pete, did humans used to be able to talk to trees?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: What happened?

Kristin Taylor: We forgot they, we forgot. They forgot who they are.

Richard Martini: Okay. Very good. Well, thank [00:33:00] you, uh, Mr. And Mrs. Tree. They, um, I appreciate that and please step in if you have something to say or, uh, while we continue our conversation, let’s go over to where those, uh, where I think stone benches did you say.

Kristin Taylor: It did, yeah.

Richard Martini: And are there any people here in the benches?

Kristin Taylor: It’s more light.

Richard Martini: More light. Okay. And more light, you mean? Instead of like physical Per people.

Kristin Taylor: I said that it’s light, and then someone showed up

Richard Martini: Okay, very good. So how many people show, how many people are here?

Kristin Taylor: about six.

Richard Martini: About six. Very good. Okay. Tha is Thelma here as well?

Kristin Taylor: She’s kind of off to the side.

Richard Martini: Okay. Very good. Thank you Thelma. We appreciate you hanging around to observe what we’re doing today. So I want you to go to the first person on the far [00:34:00] left of the, how are they arrayed, by the way? Are they in these stump behind these stone benches or on them or what?

Kristin Taylor: Well, they’re either seated or it’s just light, kind of hovering above the benches.

Richard Martini: Okay. Very good. And go to the furthest left light. And let’s ask, is it okay if I ask you some questions?

Kristin Taylor: Yes,

Richard Martini: Would you manifest as a person so that we can have a conversation and do you see a male or a female?

Kristin Taylor: A male,

Richard Martini: About how old?

Kristin Taylor: maybe about 45.

Richard Martini: And please describe what color, hair, eyes, clothing.

Kristin Taylor: He kind of looks Greek. He’s got those really chiseled features. Um, kind of grayish hair, but a youthful face. Deep, deep set, gray eyes, [00:35:00] um, a kind face, strong jaw, kind of a roman nose,

Richard Martini: So let,

Kristin Taylor: It’s very handsome.

Richard Martini: thank you. Thank you so much. And if, and if, is it okay if I ask you some questions?

Kristin Taylor: Yes,

Richard Martini: Are you familiar with my work?

Kristin Taylor: yes.

Richard Martini: What’s your opinion?

Kristin Taylor: Noble.

Richard Martini: Doble. Thank you. What, what, what’s a word that we can use to identify you just for conversational purposes?

Kristin Taylor: He said, Craig,

Richard Martini: Craig. Thank you, Craig. And what? Quality do you represent on Kristen’s counsel?

Kristin Taylor: wisdom and discernment.

Richard Martini: Wisdom and discernment. May I ask you, what’s the difference [00:36:00] between wisdom and knowledge?

Kristin Taylor: He said Knowledge is, um, Knowledge can be cheap. Transactional wisdom is earned. Embodied,

Richard Martini: Beautiful. Thank you, Craig. How do you think our friend Kristen is doing?

Kristin Taylor: She’s learning. She forgot a lot. she set the bar high.

Richard Martini: Very good. Set the bar high for herself

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: and so you approve of her what she’s doing now, for example, talking to people out in the world and helping them, [00:37:00] healing them.

Kristin Taylor: It’s the way she heals herself too.

Richard Martini: Oh, beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. Craig, could you introduce us to the person on your left?

Kristin Taylor: Um, he says, this is Thaddeus

Richard Martini: There he is. And describe please.

Kristin Taylor: short. Um, I’m not getting him very clearly. I don’t know if he’s human, but he’s older. He’s a little bit more like shorter rounder. I don’t know what he is.

Richard Martini: Okay. Very good. Thaddeus, what do you represent on Kristen’s [00:38:00] counsel in a word or phrase?

Kristin Taylor: Endurance.

Richard Martini: Endurance. Very good. Are you familiar with my work?

Kristin Taylor: Yes,

Richard Martini: Okay. Sometimes different members of counselors are and are not. So if you, if it’s okay, if it won’t disrupt Kristen’s path or journey in any way, could you manifest as she knows you or show her a manifestation as she knows you and, and just try to observe whatever it is without any kind of, uh, judgment.

So when you said he wasn’t quite human, what, what does he look like to his friends, or what does he like to manifest as to his friends and family?

Kristin Taylor: I got a black dog.

Richard Martini: Oh, black dog. Very good. May I ask you, uh, Thaddeus, have you ever incarnated on the planet [00:39:00] Earth?

Kristin Taylor: No.

Richard Martini: No. Okay. And when you manifest in this way, is this a metaphor for, uh, that makes it easiest for, for to have a conversation?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Okay. I understand. Very good. Because the next question is, has, so do you normally incarnate off planet in, in another planet, someplace else, in another universe or another galaxy,

Kristin Taylor: Another universe,

Richard Martini: another universe. Let me ask you this, has Kristen ever incarnated on this planet where you have No, she has not. Okay. Just a question to ask. Um, I and I, I, we could go into details about what that planet might look like, et cetera, et cetera, but more importantly, when you manifest as a dog, is that to [00:40:00] remind us that we can communicate with dogs that they’re sentient.

Kristin Taylor: It reminds us again, of love and loyalty and, um, like steadfast, uh, family.

Richard Martini: Wow. And endurance as well, I imagine

Kristin Taylor: Yeah. Well, which goes with that. Like the dog isn’t going to quit. It’s like unconditionally loyal.

Richard Martini: unconditionally loyal. That’s beautiful. I’ve never heard it put that way. Um, and in terms of Kristen’s journey, how is endurance important for her?

Kristin Taylor: Just get back [00:41:00] up.

Richard Martini: Get back up. And did she earn your role on her council from a previous lifetime where she had to go through something or endurance wise, or is it from this lifetime.

Kristin Taylor: It’s multiple lifetimes. Yeah, it’s multiple lifetimes.

Richard Martini: Okay. And how many councils do you serve on Thaddeus?

Kristin Taylor: Thousands

Richard Martini: And let me ask you the same question, Craig, if you don’t mind. How many councils do you serve with?

Kristin Taylor: seven.

Richard Martini: Seven. And may I ask you, Craig, do you appear in the same guise or the same view perception on each council? Or does that really not apply?

Kristin Taylor: Depends.

Richard Martini: It depends. Okay. Very good. I think it’s fascinating to hear that, uh, council members can serve on other councils and in obviously Thaddeus case it’s thousands.

And let me ask you the same question, Thaddeus, [00:42:00] do you appear as a black dog on some of the other councils or no? Or was that just for a conversation?

Kristin Taylor: that was just for today’s conversation.

Richard Martini: Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. And Thaddeus, if you could introduce us to the person on your left, would that be?

Kristin Taylor: So see, um, this is Rebecca and she’s like a lavender, purple light’s. Beautiful.

Richard Martini: And Rebecca, may I ask you some questions?

Kristin Taylor: God, I feel like I’m gonna cry. Yes.

Richard Martini: Thank you, um, Rebecca, so what do you represent on Kristen’s counsel?

Kristin Taylor: [00:43:00] It’s, it’s like ever, ever something ever loving, everlasting, um, I don’t know what the word is.

Richard Martini: Ever lasting love or more about love, like unconditional love beyond measure.

Kristin Taylor: Is, yeah. It’s bigger. It’s bigger.

Richard Martini: Very good. Thank you for sharing that. I understand the emotion. Can you manifest as a person just to help Kristen with your visual? What did, what did she look like to you?

Kristin Taylor: She’s almost like a Disney character, like a, or like a, you know how in the Wizard of Oz, Glenda comes down in a bubble? Right? She’s just very regal, but, um, [00:44:00] opulent, but otherworldly just, she’s beautiful.

Richard Martini: Beautiful. Thank you so much, Rebecca. So have you ever incarnated on the planet Earth? I, no. And are you familiar with my work?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Have we ever spoken before?

Kristin Taylor: I don’t know. Maybe?

Richard Martini: Maybe. Um, and I was gonna ask you, do you sit on many councils or other councils?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Do you often appear as kind of this Glenda type person? I,

Kristin Taylor: Always

Richard Martini: let me ask you, Rebecca, I, I just need a thumbs up, thumbs down, or a shake of the hand. Do you appear in the book Divine Counsels in the [00:45:00] Afterlife?

Kristin Taylor: no.

Richard Martini: No. Okay. Very good. That’s what I was asking because there was somebody who appeared as Glen to the Good Witch in during one of our conversations. So of course the question would be like, is this you?

So obviously, so let me ask you about that. This iconic image of a good witch, let’s just say the good, the fairy godmother type person. Is this something that comes from our collective unconscious? Is this something that humans sort of have as a mythological construct, or do you look like this to all your friends?

Kristin Taylor: I look like this to all my friends.

Richard Martini: Okay. Very good. And how’s, uh, how’s our friend Kristen doing? What’s your impression of how she’s doing?

Kristin Taylor: She’s precious. She’s precious,

Richard Martini: Precious. That’s beautiful. And what’s a way [00:46:00] or method for Kristen or anybody, let’s say, to access you? So let’s say Christian is Christian’s having a day or whatever she’s thinking about this conversation. What would be a way for her to access that lavender light?

Kristin Taylor: Close your eyes or holding your eyes half open and the light will show. And that is me.

Richard Martini: Beautiful. Thank you so much. Rebecca, is there, is there someone here that’s the spokesperson for the council? One particular individual that wants to come forward?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Who would that be?

Kristin Taylor: He looks. Very, very old [00:47:00] and like a warrior, like he’s wearing animal fur and leather and he is a beard. And he was the first person that showed up.

Richard Martini: Okay. Do you mean the first person that we spoke to? Craig or no, this is who’s shown up. Very good. May I ask you some questions, sir?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Uh, are you familiar with my work?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Thank you. Um, I’m What’s your impression? I,

Kristin Taylor: It’s very important,

Richard Martini: and thank you. What’s a, what’s a name that we might be able to use to associate with you

Kristin Taylor: uh, dear one.

Richard Martini: Dear one. Oh, that’s beautiful. And what do you represent on Kristen’s counsel.

Kristin Taylor: I am part of her lineage. I’m [00:48:00] related to her. I have incarnated many, many, many times.

Richard Martini: Very good. So you’ve incarnated on the planet Earth, have you with Kristen before?

Kristin Taylor: no,

Richard Martini: But, but still. And so this outfit that you’re presenting as, and I appreciate that you’ve shown us that. I, I mean I didn’t ask you, do you represent, you’ve been with her many times, but that warrior aspect, do you represent a little bit of that warrior

Kristin Taylor: yes.

Richard Martini: and do you represent on other councils or just Kristen’s.

Kristin Taylor: Um, just hers right now.

Richard Martini: Okay, very good. Just hers. And so it’s important, it was important for him to come forward to have this conversation with us. What’s a name that we can use dear? Oh dear.

Kristin Taylor: Dear

Richard Martini: Dear one. Okay, dear one, is that two E’s or one E or one e

Kristin Taylor: Oh, ea[00:49:00]

Richard Martini: Okay. Very

Kristin Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. Good. That’s a good

Richard Martini: And um, so how is our warrior Christian Kristen doing.

That’s my question.

Kristin Taylor: Hmm. Um, she is a quiet fighter. She’s claiming her strength. She,

Richard Martini: a way for people li I’m sorry, go ahead.

Kristin Taylor: No, go ahead.

Richard Martini: What would be a way for people listening in to claim their strength or to tap into what you represent?

Kristin Taylor: There is injustice all around. Don’t sacrifice, your honor. [00:50:00] Don’t be swayed by mirage and illusions. Have dignity.

Richard Martini: So let me ask you dear one, when you appear in this outfit, what year does it represent on the planet? When you existed on the planet wearing this particular. Uniform. Where were you?

Kristin Taylor: I get 16 something, but I don’t know.

Richard Martini: 16th something. Um, okay. Was it in, uh, Asia or Europe or Africa or I,

Kristin Taylor: It’s northern, I think like Northern Europe. It’s really cold.

Richard Martini: Northern [00:51:00] Europe. Cold. Is it up in Viking land or

Kristin Taylor: Yeah, that’s what I’m seeing. Like Scandinavia or something.

Richard Martini: Scandinavia? Would you consider yourself a Viking or would we consider you a Viking?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: Very good. And in that lifetime that you’re appearing, as was your, did your name dear one was that translated from a Viking phrase? That means dear one.

Kristin Taylor: No, that’s just for Kristen.

Richard Martini: Okay. Just for Kristen. Okay. Very good. Uh, it’s, I think it’s fascinating. Would anybody on the planet be able to look you up? Did you, is there some story about you somewhere? I’m just curious.

Kristin Taylor: Probably not.

Richard Martini: Probably not. Um, so, uh, listen, I, but let me, if you could talk a little bit about the journey that you had. ’cause clearly if you were, unless you were a holy man or a shaman or something like that, you were somebody who believed in fighting and warrior-like [00:52:00] behavior and killing and whatever, which Vikings are famous for.

But if you could just talk about the way life is kind of like a theatrical performance and how people come here and behave in certain ways. What’s the purpose of learning from a warrior point of view?

Kristin Taylor: It’s about protection. Um, it’s about protection, honor, family survival. It’s uh, not, it’s guarding and protection and fortitude and shelter and survival. But in that is is great dignity of [00:53:00] family and hearth and home.

Richard Martini: Very good. And do you, how does, uh, how does Kristen tap into this to you? Is it while she’s asleep? Is it during the day? I mean, are, let me ask everybody on the council, are you guys all tethered to Christian?

Kristin Taylor: Yeah. We guide her.

Richard Martini: And by tethered, I mean it’s almost like Christmas tree lights. You’re people aren’t aware that they’re tethered to their council members and you’re guiding her. And so if you could just describe the fine line between interference, don’t turn down that street, you know, do this, don’t buy that stock. If you could just describe a little bit of non interference and guiding, what’s the difference?

Kristin Taylor: She has free will I. are always available. She’s often distracted [00:54:00] when she so slows down. We some show up in her mind, some show up in her heart, some show up in her feelings and songs and signs, but she’s the one who needs to be quiet.

Richard Martini: Thank you. And if you can just describe that process a little bit. We’ve heard this before, this thing of being quiet, of slowing down the frequency or turning off the cacophony. Even that tree that we talked to earlier that talked about how humans no longer can hear the plants and flora and fauna or animals.

That idea of opening yourself up, what’s a method? What would be a 1, 2, 3? I mean, I hate to ask it that way, but if you guys could give her a 1, 2, 3, or her audience, how do people slow down to communicate with their guides [00:55:00] and their council members?

Kristin Taylor: Make the decision. Make the decision, and there’s so many ways you can mu music or nature calling us by name. It doesn’t take long.

Richard Martini: And let me ask you, uh, as simple as this method is of me just asking Kristen questions. And allowing her guide Thelma to take us into this grove to meet these different people. And I didn’t go through everybody. Is there anybody else who wants to speak up on her behalf?

Kristin Taylor: No, they’re good with this.

Richard Martini: Okay. I don’t, I always feel like if I go through every single person on the council, then there’s [00:56:00] nobody for them to go forward with. But what’s, what’s a way for Kristen to, I look, she recorded it so she can always listen to this, but how about people out there on the planet? So they, they have a dream where they meet their council or even a meditation where they meet their counsel.

Um, and you said, like, say their name.

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: So I guess just saying Thaddeus and Craig and Rebecca Thelma. Dear one, um, or counsel,

Kristin Taylor: Yeah.

Richard Martini: Go ahead.

Kristin Taylor: Yeah, they’re saying that you don’t need to know their name. You don’t need to know their name. Um, but just know that you are shrouded is the word. You are shrouded in support. Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: so literally you’re, you’re [00:57:00] feeling, you’re at your wit’s end. You’re at the end of your rope,

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: and you call out to your guides and your council members. And even if you’re not aware of who they are or what they look like to ask them for assistance and help, um, I, we know of course, they can’t interfere. Is that true?

Is it, why is it you can’t interfere with a person’s journey? Go ahead. You’re shaking your

Kristin Taylor: Yeah, because we, we talked with her in advance. She chose this and that would be breaking her trust.

Richard Martini: Okay, and, but let me ask you this now, is, are we talking a dear one?

Kristin Taylor: Yes.

Richard Martini: So let me ask you dear one, if I asked you for the lottery numbers for this Friday and you just told me privately, would that be allowed, even though it would totally screw up my journey,

Kristin Taylor: No, I would never be [00:58:00] allowed. It would never be allowed.

Richard Martini: I always like you. Sure. Let’s ask around the council. Is there anybody here who wants to give up with the, A lot? I’m kidding. You know, I like to ask that question because it usually gets a laugh from council members.

Kristin Taylor: They are laughing and rolling their eyes like we’ve heard this.

Richard Martini: You know, it’s not easy to get a reaction from people on the flip side, so, But let me ask you one more question, dear one. And now this is a, this is a relativity question because we’ve heard that time on your side of the veil is completely not, so, not so much non-existent, but so relatively different that let’s say 50 years feels like half an hour or 75 years feels like a half an hour or whatever.

So is this correct in that when Kristen first came to visit you, let’s say before she became Christian, Kristen, where she had [00:59:00] her her life, uh, presentation of what she was gonna do, and then afterwards she comes back to visit you and has her life review, does it feel to you guys that it’s like 30 minutes have gone by or 50 minutes or an hour?

Kristin Taylor: Yeah, it’s, it’s nothing. It’s so fast.

Richard Martini: Well, it’s, I, I appreciate for you it’s nothing. But for us it’s like, what? So it’s a little bit like watching a Netflix series. We watch, you know, the show. Let’s say it’s, you know, we go through a binge watch the entire show, beginning, middle, and end, and that’s what it’s like for you. Is that correct?

Kristin Taylor: Yeah.

Richard Martini: But I guess there’s, you know, obviously there’s emotional content that’s completely different

Kristin Taylor: Mm-hmm.

Richard Martini: what we experience while watching a television show.

However, as we know, sometimes, you know, you end up crying while you’re watching a show. What’s the value of tears? Let me ask you that dear [01:00:00] one, what’s the value of crying if there is

Kristin Taylor: You, yeah. There’s absolute value of crying. Um, you get to the essence. You get to the essence. You, you reveal the heart. It’s an expression, both of love, but you choose pain. She, she chose pain. She chose pain and crying is a part of pain, but it’s also illusion. She chose pain shows. She could remember not to stay in pain. She doesn’t need to. The empathy is so strong, so deep, but that’s not where [01:01:00] she’s meant to stay. ’cause she’ll get stuck. It’s like quicksand for her.

Richard Martini: Wow, you’re very interesting question. I’ve never thought of it before and very interesting answer. I’ve never heard it before, but on the conversely, why choose laughter? What does laughter do for people?

Kristin Taylor: It el it elevates. We get to laugh too. It’s, it’s like the, the bubble of pain is popped. Not in a painful way, but like, ugh. It’s, it’s the closest to where they live.

Richard Martini: Beautifully said, ed. Alright, well I just want to thank everybody on the council. Um, and Thelma, I’m gonna leave this to you. Do you wanna take her somewhere before we go home and back to the [01:02:00] boat? Do you want to show her anything before we go? Thank you council members.

Kristin Taylor: No, she just, she has this. One of those, uh, fancy umbrellas, and she has a dainty hand, and she’s, she’s very

Richard Martini: beautiful. Thank you Thelma. I appreciate that. So let’s escort Kristen back to our boat, the, uh, carnival ship on the Mississippi. On its way somewhere fun, we hope. And let’s thank everybody that stopped by to visit. We have, dear one, we have Craig, we have Thaddeus, Rebecca, uh, and Thelma. Um, and Thelma, you know, there, we had started this conversation with a thought to maybe conversing with a close friend of hers who passed away recently, but I think she can have that conversation with him through you of [01:03:00] Thelma off camera.

Let’s put it that way. If she wants to, we can talk to him now or we can wait till another time. Very good. Alright, so here we are back in the boat. Paddle wheels going. It’s time to bring out the mint juleps.

Kristin Taylor: Yes, exactly.

Richard Martini: Now, please describe to your audience what your feeling is. Does this feel, what did it feel like to you?

Kristin Taylor: It felt like a lot of imagination. Sometimes things were really instant in a process of interrupting myself and then letting go.

Richard Martini: you know, it’s just funny because I, I don’t know why I asked about tears, but your, your, the answer from your guide was so eloquent about, you know, what tears mean for people and how it helps them get to the truth, to the heart of whatever it is they’re [01:04:00] thinking about.

Kristin Taylor: Well, that was entirely unexpected and very much a departure from our regular program. You see, I’d planned to interview Richard about his latest book, the Greatest Story, never Told As Told by Jesus and those who Knew Him, but we clearly did not follow that plan. He’s gonna be on soon, and that is what we will be doing.

That’s the program. So here’s what happened. Before we started recording, we were chitchatting away and I shared that a childhood friend’s brother had recently passed. He offered, Richard offered to see if we could contact him. I didn’t feel comfortable with this because I haven’t had a relationship with this amazing human being in, in about 40 years and felt uncomfortable because so many people did like, especially as family and loved ones, and I didn’t wanna violate a boundary, both literal and [01:05:00]spiritual.

It just didn’t feel like my place. But as we began to talk more, Richard invited to lead me through a process. I’ve heard him lead so many others. Through a process he shares in his many books, films, and interviews about quote unquote, the flip side, as he calls it, the afterlife. It’s especially present in his book, divine Counsels in the Afterlife.

The Flip Side Court. Again, you see, as much as I am fascinated by his process, I also admit to being quite a skeptic. So it’s this skepticism that ultimately led me to say yes to his offer. My first thought was, this is never gonna work for me. And it was so weird. Like sometimes I totally felt like I was just making stuff up.

But then there were also moments when answers, they just popped into my head. They didn’t feel like I was making them up, but more like I just saw things or knew the response to his question without giving it any thought. [01:06:00] Any thought at all, and it didn’t feel like, I know this is weird. It didn’t feel like me who was answering, and it just felt really vulnerable.

Like, oh shit, I can’t believe I’m recording this for my audience. What will they think? But listen, if I’m gonna interview others about this topic, shouldn’t I also be open to exploring it more publicly too? Putting myself in the hot seat. And so that’s what I did. And I really appreciate you listening.

Before the interview was over, I suddenly lost all connectivity. Sure this happens from time to time, but I’m often told that it especially happens when spiritual energy is activated. Who knows? The believer in me says, of course, that makes sense while this skeptic comes showing up and says, no way. Here’s another thing that was weird, and I get it.

All of this is weird, or at least unusual. When my internet was restored, I immediately [01:07:00]emailed Rich and I thanked him for sharing this process with me, and then he immediately emailed me back and he shared the following. His email said many things. Here’s just one line. Carnival City Packet Company was an owner of steamships.

Paddle wheel boats on the Mississippi in the 19th century. And then he says, so when you heard quote unquote carnival, it may be a joke that you’ve been on one in different timeframes. To which I replied, ha ha. That is so wild. I saw the word carnival really clearly, but I hesitated sharing it because it seemed so hokey.

Like, you know, the current carnival cruises, I can’t remember what year. I said, I’ll need to listen for that. And then he shot an email back and it read 1876. That was my answer. And what’s so weird, again, this is the exact timeframe for this historical [01:08:00] reference. So do with this what you like. I’m not here to try to convince anyone of anything, but in the meantime, and if you’re both a skeptic and like Richard, a researcher and like us both, someone who has in some way opened the door to the afterlife.

Is your garden gate open? I encourage you to picture yourself on a boat, on a river and just see what happens. So once again, thank you for tuning in and we’ll see you next time on how I Made It Through.

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