[00:00:00] So let’s say 70 percent of the people who have a near death event experience something. That means like 30 percent don’t.
Richard Martini: Nothing happens, they just don’t feel like anything happened. Out of that 70%, 11 percent report seeing avatars or wise beings or teachers or something. But 7 percent report seeing Jesus. And I thought, well that’s an interesting statistic, because, is he wearing a name tag? You know, how do you know it’s him?
[00:01:00] All things Jesus, Kristen. It’s just so cool. And for the audience who’s tuning in for the first and as [00:02:00] I like to say the last time, um, you know, this was Kristen’s idea. Like, you know, she was saying, you know, we only get about an hour to talk. I’d love to dig in deeper. And I said, well, let’s do that because no one’s ever asked to do that before.
Richard Martini: And maybe it’ll help people try to figure out, like, what the heck is this about? And maybe it’ll give some people some insight. And we’ve also talked about this, this idea of Um, where the, you know, this research kind of fell into my lap. Let’s put it that way. Uh, where I wasn’t looking for it. But I just, I want to mention something, which is, I, I was looking at a study, a near death, uh, experience study done by Dr.
Emily Kelly at the University of Virginia, 2001. Anybody can find it online. And she was talking about the percentage of people who have a near death experience to… Uh, experience something that happens. So let’s say 70 percent of the [00:03:00] people who have a near death event experience something. That means like 30 percent don’t.
Nothing happens, they just don’t feel like anything happened. Out of that 70%, 11 percent report seeing avatars or wise beings or teachers or something. But 7 percent report seeing Jesus. And I thought, well that’s an interesting statistic, because, is he wearing a name tag? You know, how do you know it’s him?
Like, what if it’s a dude who looks like him? Massive, anyway. Um, and correct me if I’m wrong, we had a guided meditation that you and I did.
And, just randomly, I asked, you know, could he come forward and chat with us? And he was wearing a… At some point I asked him to change his clothing,
that it would be easier for me.
to see him.
Oh, okay. I’m sorry. So
I was trying to think of this [00:04:00] today. Oh, I want to tell the story then. So I’m sorry to put that on you. But I was doing a guided meditation with somebody, and I wish I could tell you who it was. But she said, I see him. I can see him now. And I said, okay, what’s, you know, what’s he look like?
That’s the question I ask. She said, uh, we talked about this in the last podcast. He has brown eyes with, and then she said streaks of gold in his eyes. It’s a very unusual, you could see like this other color. And I thought, well, she might’ve read that in the book, you know, maybe cause it’s in there. I mentioned it, but at the same time I said, so could he change into something more conducive to conversation? And unbeknownst to her and people who haven’t read the book, When I ask that question, he frequently changes into the same outfit. As if his wardrobe was limited. I mean, you know, you think about it, like, [00:05:00] I’m not asking him what to wear. And the person I’m talking to is not really asking him, because what would they… Could you put on a blue suit? They, they just go, they hear the question and then they’ll say, oh my gosh, he just changed into something when you asked that, and they almost always say jeans and a t shirt. So, the weird part about this, and this is the reason I mentioned it, is it popped into my head to ask this question. Does it say anything on the t shirt?
This person looked into the distance And then she started to laugh. And I said, what does it say? She says, it says the grateful dead.
So, I mean, think about how funny that is. It didn’t come from her. I mean, it came from her, you know, maybe subconscious. I don’t know,
but she’s giving that [00:06:00] credit to Jesus for that hilarious comment, because
needless to say, he says it repeatedly. He’s grateful that people are talking to him.
Now, instead of acting like he doesn’t exist.
[00:07:00] Absolutely.
Or, and, go ahead.
Yeah, or, I mean, why not a robe?
I mean, you know, monks wear them all the time.
Why something that’s so casual and so western?
Yeah, I don’t, I don’t really know. I mean, all I can say is we can ask him, but the point being, you know, uh, Um, I’ve, it started with exactly what you’re talking about, where people would say, I’m overwhelmed by being close to him. There’s something I can feel this palpable energy and it’s hurting me. I can’t breathe, hurting my heart because it’s so strong. And so when the opportunity came and it was the third time that this happened, that I [00:08:00] got a chance to ask him, I said, you know, can I ask him a question? Not knowing that the person I’m talking to would say, yeah. I said, so what are you doing, dude? You get close to people and you make them sick. What’s going on? I asked it that way to be a little bit of annoying because if they were going to defend their vision, that would say something about, you know, their religious background or something. But his answer was pretty unusual. He said, It’s because I brought more of Source to my lifetime, and when people get close to me, they feel that unconditional love. You know, he could have said, I brought more of my father, or I brought more of God, you know, whatever. He didn’t say that. He said, I brought more of Source. And, they experience unconditional love when closer to Source. Now, you know, if you’re a student of the data and research like I am, Uh, Dr. Eben [00:09:00] Alexander’s book, Proof of Heaven, at some point, and he never says heaven in his book, but he basically says, at some point he was in a room with what felt like Source, God, the Creator, that’s what he felt like, and he said it was this overwhelming feeling of unconditional love. Some people say, you know, love times a billion, or just beyond measure. So… It’s an, you know, it’s an unusual concept, you know, anyway. So like the only, what I try to say to people is, look, it’s not, I’m not saying that people are saying this, I’m filming them and they say it. And what makes it interesting and worth us talking about is that he says, says it consistently, you know, the same terminology, you know, I’ll ask.
So. Tell us about the Bible. You know, what’s your opinion of the Bible? Is it accurate? It’s a simple question. [00:10:00] And he says variations of, well, it’s a metaphor. It’s like poetry. It’s supposed to help you and guide you and elevate you, enlighten you. And then he says, but people don’t really use it for that, do they? And then he talks about I don’t know how to put it other than things that aren’t accurate in terms of his life. He doesn’t defend the book, and he doesn’t castigate the book. But he does say, look at the text. And if it’s written by someone trying to tell someone how to behave, then it’s based on their perspective and their opinion. But if it’s really to tell people that there’s a universal behavior, all humanity, then the source is not going to be a particular individual trying to influence people to behave a certain way. And he said, I, I [00:11:00] personally strive to speak to all humanity, meaning there’s no hierarchy on the flip side, there’s no elevation and there’s no judgment.
Well, yeah, let’s talk about people who, who claim to have seen him in Jerusalem.
Um, and in terms of, you know, look, in terms of logic, here I am, I, the first example happened about ten years ago when I was filming a friend of mine, she’s Molly in the book Flipside. She was very distraught over her mother passing and I suggested that she do a, um, hypnosis session, so maybe she could talk [00:12:00] to her mom.
That was all I said. And the night before, I mentioned, I may have mentioned this, but the night before I was talking to Scott DeTamble. He’s at LightBetweenLives. com. He is a hypnotherapist. I work with him often. And we were just chatting on the phone, and I just, for no reason, I said, uh, well, who knows? I said, you know, isn’t it funny that people claim to see Jesus?
I mean, what does he look like? You know, do they describe him? Because if he had red hair and freckles, you know, and everybody said the same thing, you’d see, you know, but if he looks different, then it really must be, you know, that’s what we were talking about. And so the next day, this friend of mine does this session, and she eventually goes to this memory of living in Jerusalem in the year 18, she said, and I’ve heard Jerusalem 18. Wait a minute. So I wrote Scott a note, and I said, hey, ask her if she saw Jesus. Because he didn’t do that directly, he just said, do you ever hear anybody speak in public? And that’s when she started to cry and said, I’m standing 10 feet away from him. And [00:13:00] of course, I asked. What does he look like? What color are his eyes?
How long is his… I didn’t ask. I asked Scott to ask, and I asked Scott to ask. And then, every time he showed up in the future, I would do that same kind of questioning. So then I remembered that Dr. Brian Weiss, the guy who wrote many lives, many masters, in his, I think it’s his third book, where he talks about doing a session with a client, past life regression, And this person is remembering a lifetime where he knew Jesus, or saw Jesus. And he says he was standing in Jerusalem watching him carry, you know, the cross. As you find out in the book, apparently he was just carrying a beam. Because the part that was pre dug was already waiting. But anyway, he’s carrying that beam up the Via Della Rosa, and the client says, And I saw you there, Doctor, Dr.
Weiss. And you were wearing this, like, toga with orange piping. [00:14:00] Very distinct. And Dr. Weiss was startled because he’d never told anybody that he had done a past life regression. And in that past life regression, he said he remembered that lifetime where he wore that particular toga. But he also said that Jesus had been to his house. And that they had intellectual conversations because he was known as this great teacher. Which, the book kind of talks about him traveling back and forth on the Silk Road and learning all these, and teaching, teaching and learning all these different things. So, being in a professor’s house, you know, that’s what they talked about.
The nature of reality, a lot of it is seen, you’re familiar with that part of the Judaic religion. It’s the idea of the Essenes were very much, you know, light, dark. And talking about the consciousness and how that works and functions. Anyway, that’s what he’s saying. So now here’s a client, you know, in his office saying, [00:15:00] And you were there.
So this is another eyewitness. Somebody who described the events of what occurred. Um, but the most startling to me was, A woman reached out to me from South Carolina. Um, I’m trying to remember what her name is in the book, but it doesn’t matter. But she… She said, I’ve had these visions and memories of Jesus. Um, and she had read one of my books where I had mentioned that. I think, Hacking the Afterlife, so she reached out to me. Actually, it was before that, so I don’t know. I guess it was a book talk. And I mentioned how Jesus shows up. And people were talking about seeing him at the crucifixion, so… Anyway, so she called me up, and… I did that thing I do of… I mean, it really was a four hour conversation where I basically said… So what do you remember? How did you come upon this information and this awareness? And she had this amazing story of how she’d had a car accident, a near death event, a car accident when she was in high school, [00:16:00] and saw things about her life that she didn’t know, like who her real father was.
You know, and then she went back and mentioned that to her mother, and the mother was like, Where did you hear that? And it was true. Um, and it was like she had opened a door. And so then she could remember. Growing up with Jesus, in Bethlehem, right? I think that’s where he was, in the Nazarene, he was from Nazareth, I think, Bethlehem, whatever. She remembered, like, where she lived, on the same, how they were kids together, let’s say, age 12 up. That they were both Essenes, they were both part of that group, that when they both turned about 15 years old, There was this discussion of marrying, you know, being betrothed to somebody, as they used to in those days. And his attitude was like, uh, it’s not happening. And then he traveled. And, and this friend of his, this person, woman I’m talking to, [00:17:00] is saying, I traveled with him. And we went on, we went on the Silk Road. And I was thinking to myself, I mean, I’ve been on the Silk Road. I know how difficult it is to, you know, to get from Jerusalem to, let’s say, China or Tibet, but she’s saying it’s a little bit more like the book by Rudyard Kipling, Kim, where it’s all about how people travel all across India.
Like you do some work for them and they let you join their caravan and they move from place to place. So apparently, according to her, she knew him as Essie. She called him, that was her nickname for him. She was very specific about that, and I said, does that come from a name like Isaiah or something? And she said, well, it was just, we called him Esi. Now, I know that Jesus is known as Esa in the Middle East, and he’s also in the Quran. He’s mentioned more often than Muhammad in the Quran as Esa. It’s a weird detail, a little factoid, but anyway, [00:18:00] so, her detailed description of traveling with him. Going all the way to India, meeting different teachers, different Hindus, different Brahmins, and learning from them, and describing what they look like, and the kind of unusual, and the places that they visited.
So, what makes it so unusual is that in the latter part of the book, there’s a, um, a reference of a book, it’s called The Conjure of Hemis. It was a book written by Tibetans. In a temple, in, in, uh, in Northern India, in Kashmir, it’s called, I mean, the book itself was translated by a Sherpa, you know, an a Nepalese guide for the guy that he was with.
And, and that guy’s name is, is Nicholas Novi. Kovich is, you know, if you look him up, he’s notorious people call him a faker and a liar and all this other stuff, but the, whatever you think about [00:19:00] that guy, he didn’t translate the book. His Sherpa did. And the Sherpa translated it into Russian, and then he published it in French, and then eventually it was published in English, about the turn of the century, 1900s. It caused a stir, because it claimed to talk about this guy. So, the thing is, I’ve been to Hemis, I’ve had the, I’ve talked to the, you know, the abbot of Hemis about the conjure, which is a, a word for like a whole bunch of old texts, Buddhist texts. And he pointed out to me that there’s been like a dozen people who’ve been to his monastery and examined these texts, including a, um, a monk from India who did his own translation. He went there and did his own translation of the Conjuring of Heavens, and it matches this Notovitch’s guise in some ways. And then what I did was I did a deep dive into the text to show how whoever wrote it was talking about Religious tribes in Persia and other [00:20:00] places that have disappeared, no longer exist, like the White Priests of Persia. It’s not a common, not a place, that’s something that’s commonly known, but whoever was writing, and my point is like, you know, in 1900, it’s not like a lot of people knew history books or what they were, you know, this region. Anyway, what makes that so interesting is only that it corroborates what these other people are saying about his travels. Yeah, about where he went, about what happened to him when he got back, when he decided to go back to Jerusalem. And this one woman pointed something out. She, she was a medium in that era. That’s, she was aware of prophecy, of course they called it. Yes,
who was, who remembers being friends with Jesus.
Back then, she and other people were. Seeing into the future. You want to call him a psychic? You want to call him a prophet? You want to call him a medium? For me, it’s mediumship [00:21:00] because you’re just, your filters are not on and you’re seeing. So, according to her, he saw what was going to happen. He saw that these events would happen and their initial discussion over this was, well, you can’t stay here. You’ve got to get out of here. If the Romans are going to kill you, put you on a cross and kill you and beat you, you’ve got to get out of town. And his reaction, very interesting, according to this woman and others, was to say, Well, if I’m seeing it, then it’s going to happen. So the question is, how do I survive it?
This is where it gets mind bending. How do I survive that?
And so, according to a number of people, they… were aware of, and very few people were aware of this idea of surviving. Meaning a very close group. It wasn’t the Apostles. They didn’t know, they didn’t, he, according to them, they didn’t trust all the Apostles. [00:22:00] Because of course, it is, it’s even in the Bible that Pilate had put a spy amongst them, so they didn’t trust everybody. They couldn’t talk about it. But there’s a very small, limited group of people I mean, I can, you know, name some of them because they’re in the book, and they’re people who, who, who I’ve run into, who then tell me this story, that they were there, and they read, they saw the events, they helped him survive, they brought him, uh, you know, there’s this thing of Nicodemus bringing him spices in the cave, I mean, it’s in the Bible, 90, 100 pounds, 75, 100 pounds of aloe and myrrh.
You’ve heard that. Sure. Let’s not go there yet.
Yeah.[00:23:00] I will. Okay, let me, alright, so let me just lay it out there as best I can, in as colloquial manner as I can,
knowing that I’m Rich Martini, the goofy filmmaker from Chicago, who’s made a bunch of comedy films. That whatever, 10 years ago, his close friend died in his arms and then started talking about the flip side from the other side and that led me down this path into filming people talking about this and I, as honestly as I can, because I, I wasn’t telling people that Jesus was showing up because I thought, Oh my God, I don’t want to go down that path, but I realized I was being not completely open if I ignored what was being said.
So. Here’s what the plot of the story is.
If I could. Yeah, if I could. In a nutshell, so they had two years to plan for this inevitability. There were some qualities about Jesus that, according to him and his [00:24:00] friends, so he had learned some esoteric Buddhist practices, which included yogas. If anyone’s familiar with the six yogas of Naropa, it’s about how to shift consciousness outside your body so you don’t feel any pain. That’s a possibility. And so what they devised was very few people knew that what would happen, they they knew that he was going to be arrested. Jesus had already seen that. And so what he does and the, the spy who had been put there by Pilate was not Judas. It was a guy named Daniel, but spelled D A H I E L. And so they all knew that this guy was working for Pilate. And so he was aware of their conversations. And so, but Jesus goes to Judas and says, You’re going to have to turn me over to the Romans. And Judas, who didn’t know about the plot, said, I can’t do that. I love you. And according to the Gospel of Judas, which, and if anybody’s read it, that’s what he [00:25:00] says, that Jesus came to him and said, please. And he also said, look, if you really love me, you’ll do this for me. Because this is what you’re meant to do. This is the job that you have. And so when he turns him over, According to not only the Conjurer of Hemis, but other eyewitnesses, he is then brought to the Sanhedrin, who are the Jewish leaders. They recognize him as a man of the book, so even though it was later, I say it was rewritten, to make it look like they were the bad guys, they never touched him.
But so he gets arrested for saying these things about render unto Caesar, to Caesar what are Caesar’s, and to God what are God’s. He gets arrested for that.
He’s brought before Pilate. Pilate’s already got a spy working for him, and he says, Did you say these things? And Jesus reply is, Why are you wasting our time having this conversation? And at that point, Pilate says, Crucify him. Send him off to be crucified. [00:26:00] There’s not this story of him going to Herod, which is added later to make it look like Pilate couldn’t figure out what to do and he was going to wash his hands and the whole it’s actually a Jewish tradition of washing your hands, it’s still a Muslim tradition, the tradition of washing your hands every day.
And so, the idea that Pilate would go do that ritual. in public was ridiculous because of course he would be a heretic if he did that. He was ahead of the Roman religion. It’s the Sanhedrin who went out in public and said, you know what? And they went and argued and said, you can’t kill a man of the book.
We’ve already interviewed him. He’s done nothing wrong. I’m sorry that disturbs people, but that’s what the data and everything says. That’s what everybody claims. Now we have eyewitnesses who see three Roman centurions come out into a public square and read the charges, which is the way the Romans did it. And, uh, charges are, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He’s guilty of this, he’s guilty of that. There’s eyewitnesses in the book who were there when that [00:27:00] happens.
Then he’s taken off, and actually by this point he had already been beaten that day. Scourged, you know, uh. And so when they bring him out into the square, he’s already bloody and beaten. And, and so they’re talking about his charges. And so then they give him this beam. Where they have him walk up to Golgotha, where the crucifixions take place, and of course, they had crucifixions all the time, and they were everywhere, and there was a lot of people up there. Um, and so he carries this beam, and when he gets up to the place, they have a pre dug hole, so that the beam is then attached, and he’s placed in there. Eyewitnesses claim he was tied to the cross, not nailed. That his feet were nailed, mainly because he was taller than what they had built. So they put his feet in an awkward way so they could get it on a plate. That the Roman soldiers who were doing that, some [00:28:00] of them were followers.
And were part of this plot to save him.
And so somewhere, so he’s on the cross for roughly, and I don’t want to minimize it, it’s not a place to be, for about three hours. Most people are crucified a week, and the last day they break their legs and everything. But he’s on there for three hours,
and at some point, he then is, uh, given, remember, the Roman soldier says, here, have some gall, which is like, think about that for a second.
It’s wine. Something in the wine is mixed in there that, like Belladonna, that knocks him out. Because the moment after he has the wine, or the, you know, the thing in his face, he faints. And, you know, they, they thought he was dead. And so the Roman soldier there below stabs him in the side to see if he’s alive or dead. What happens? Blood and water rushes [00:29:00] out. Which means what? Not dead. The heart’s beating. Blood comes out, so he’s alive. Meanwhile, over in Pilate’s lair, Joseph of Arimathea shows up. In the original Aramaic, he asks for the living body of Jesus. In the original Aramaic, Pilate responds, You can have the corpse of Jesus. It’s not the way it’s translated. He asks for the body, he says you can have the body. According to eyewitnesses, Joseph bribed Pilate. Joseph of Arimathea was a very wealthy merchant, and Pilate was eventually deposed for taking bribes. That’s historical fact. But anyway, so Joseph of Arimathea bribes him, and, okay, take him down. Nicodemus, as we hear, goes to the cave, where Joseph of Arimathea has a [00:30:00] cave, and he fills it with these hundred pounds of aloe and myrrh. Okay? What are those? In the Bible, in the multiple chapters, it says they anoint the dead, or their spices that you pack the body in. Well, if anybody ever spoke to a Jewish person before they read that, they would know. That’s not accurate. There never has been a Jewish burial, ever, in the history of the planet, where they added oil or spices to the body. It’s against their religion. Let’s just start there. That’s a ridiculous thing that was put in there by somebody later on clearly.
And in fact, well, I was gonna say, if you look up the history of that, you’ll see there was only one account in the entire history of the Jewish religion, and that’s the only account of anointing the dead.
Nobody does that.
They didn’t do it anyway.
Well, meh and meh. and and so talk about [00:31:00] a bookend when Mary is in the, uh, you know, giving birth. The three Magi, those three priests from Persia, they show up with myrrh. Myrrh is a restorative. It stops blood, stops bleeding. It wasn’t for Jesus. It was for her, you see? Frankincense is also a mild narcotic. You know, so you have a lot of it and you will relax. So, frankincense and myrrh wasn’t for Jesus. It was for her.
Yeah. And so now, skip ahead 33 years, he’s got myrrh again in a cave, a hundred pounds of it. So, what happens? He gets taken off the cross, he gets put in that cave, according to the New Testament. He disappears from that cave because the guards come down and say, hey, some of his followers came and took him. And the Sanhedrin, [00:32:00] again, painting them out to be like complete nincompoops, say, You’re lying. You were asleep. That’s what happened. You’re sleeping. We literally told them what happened. So because I have eyewitnesses who claim that they went to this other cave to treat his wounds
that he was, well, hypnosis or not hypnosis,
guided meditation. Just people recall. In fact, one woman, it was very mind bending. How this came about where somebody called me up and they said, well, look, I was doing this meditation and this woman wanted to talk to you, me personally about something. I was like, okay. So I went over to her office and we, I taped this thing.
And the woman claimed to be a Roman Uh, high ranking official’s wife, who was friends with Jesus, who went to treat his wounds. And she described what that was like, crawling into [00:33:00] this other cave. How you couldn’t see it was a cave from the outside, but you could roll underneath. And she used myrrh. And so I said, how do you use myrrh?
And how do you use aloe to cure somebody? And she described using a pistol and putting it in a mash and then applying it to the wound directly. So here she was using something that is a restorative on him. He survived. So that’s, that’s why. Now, you know, Peter wasn’t aware. Peter, one of the apostles, was not aware of any of this. Um, and so it’s Mary Magdalene, whose eyewitnesses claim was married to Jesus. She’s the one who goes to the cave and goes, Oh, he’s gone. And I’d just like to point out that when people report them going into that cave, including Peter, there’s nothing there. CSI 101, where’d all the bags of aloe and myrrh go?
If Nicodemus brought a hundred pounds of, that’s a [00:34:00] lot of pounds, and two days later, it’s gone. Where’d it go?
Hey, and then where’d the bags go?
The place is clean, except for, except for the barrel cloth, so. It’s just a, it’s, I don’t know, it’s a weird logic, but what people say, eyewitnesses, is that they treated his wounds, that it was, it’s like, I think, 60 miles to walk to Galilee. So when he finally goes to Galilee months later, not three days later, when he gets there, the apostles are, of course, completely shocked to see him. How could you be here? And Thomas even puts his finger right in the wound. Not three days later, but three months, six months later. Basically, from that point forward, if you, you know, read what happens, you know, then he goes out fishing with it.
By the way, he eats dinner with them. They all eat. So if, if he’s in an etheric [00:35:00] spirit, you know, I don’t know how it is that he ingests food. It’s from that, but he eats and he sleeps. I mean, it says clearly they ate and slept together, and then they go fishing. And then, you know, in the fishing thing, he’s like, don’t put your nets over there, put them over here. So, he’s still teaching and giving lessons. And it’s interesting if you take a look at the Acts of Thomas, which is one of the apocryphal texts of the, you know, that were found in the cave. Uh, it picks up the narrative where Jesus goes to Thomas and says, now you have to go to India. And Thomas is like, I, I don’t speak Indian, a Hindu.
I’m, I don’t, I’m not, I’m not going. And Jesus says, I already sold you. Here’s the money. I sold you as a worker on this ship. This Arab ship, so you’re going. Or whatever it was. Some, some merchant. So, I was in India, and I was at the place in Kerala where Thomas landed. And they, people showed me, you know, and there’s a church there and all of this stuff. And [00:36:00] Thomas… Influenced all these people. He lived there. They practice a form of Catholicism that is closer to the time of Jesus. But if you talk to the Catholic Church about it, they go, no, that never happened. Because that book was kept out of the edited Bible in the year of 300 when they go to the Council of Nicaea and they all decide, here’s the story that we’re going to tell. This is the story that the… Somehow, not the Romans weren’t responsible for killing Jesus. No, it had to be somebody else, and they pointed to the Sanhedrin. It’s their fault he died. Whereas, none of them touched him ever. You know, it was only Romans. And still, what, so, where does he go then? Now there, that’s an unusual story. And at that point, one of the people that’s in the book talks about how they were responsible for Getting a ship so that Mary could escape. She had a child. His wife could [00:37:00] escape. So she goes to the cave and goes, Oh my gosh, he’s not here. He must have gone to heaven. And then she gets on a ship and goes to the south of France, which wasn’t a country then, it was just that area of the world. But they report, and consistently, that she had her own following. She was as known as he was for a, as a preacher. And so that while she’s there waiting for him for a year, she has a whole group of people that follow her, and then he sends a message to her, because I asked, you know, how did they meet up? He sends a message to her that the code was, it’s okay, I’m alive, I survived. And then she comes back, and the two of them, and their family, and then they end up having, I think, five children, but only two survive. And, or was it three? I’m
sorry, I don’t remember. According to these reports, three survived. And they travel all the way to Kashmir. [00:38:00] They’re traveling with, his mother comes along, Mary. And she passes away in Pakistan. There’s a, there’s a, there’s a town called Murree. Where they claim that the virgin birth Mary, who was the mother of Yusassaf was the name of the prophet that they called him. Because that’s, so, and I, so I, I ask the question. I know that Yusassaf showed up in Persia because there’s monuments to him.
I know that Yusassaf said stuff like, I am the way, I am the light. I know that Yusassaf settled in Kashmir. I know that Yusassaf is buried in, uh, Roza Bal in Srinagar. And there’s a coffin and a tomb and everything else to this guy who matches the time frame. But the question for me was, why’d you go by Yusasov?
And it really wasn’t until, I think at the very, it might have even been an interview after the book was finished, and he said, it’s not Yusasov, it’s [00:39:00] Yosef, my father’s name. His stepfather’s name. He went by Yosef. And so they called him Yusasov, because he was saying, what’s your name, Yosef? Yusef, and they got it at Yusef, I’m sorry, it’s kind of one of those weird, obvious, like, oh, okay, well that makes total sense.
So he winds up in Srinagar and lives out his days, and lives to be like, either 68 or 80. And, and it lives happily and I asked him, you know, did you regret not going back to Israel and go back to Jerusalem? He said, no, no, I lived a wonderful life. I had a great time. I felt there were connections that I still had with people back there, but I knew I couldn’t go back. And then Mary, who was younger than him, then does leave there and returns to France, according to what people say.
So, that’s the greatest story never told. As [00:40:00] told by Jesus and those who loved him or knew him.
Yeah. Yeah, she is. It is very funny because of course When I first met her this was way long time ago when I first met eight years ago. Um, And she called me up and said, you know, i’m ready. I was reading flip side. I think we should work together I was like, what do you do? She’s like i’m a medium and I went I know it’s not my cup of tea.
I was really resistant But then when I brought my camera over to her office and I filmed a three hour session with her, we talked to Amelia [00:41:00] Earhart, who was somebody I was interested in, and I was just startled because I was talking to somebody who knew as much as I did, and I’d worked on the case for 30 years. But, at some point, she burst into tears, and she said, Jesus is here, and I said, what do you mean he’s here? She’s like, he’s over in the distance. I said, alright, well bring him forward. And that’s who I… That’s when I asked, can I ask him a question? And she said, he says, yeah. I said, so what are you doing? Why are you making her sick like this?
She can’t breathe. Her face is red.
And he goes, you know, that thing about source and etc, etc. And then he starts to, um, whatever. At some point she becomes aware of a familial connection to him.
That she remembers being his firstborn. And that’s the connection of how we wound up together, so I could be telling this story now. You know, listen, as a jaded skeptic that I’ve always been, [00:42:00] as weird as that sounds, I always think, well, that’s a possibility. We have to allow, but then you need to have, you need to triangulate that. You need to have somebody else point to them and say, well, that’s his daughter.
Yeah, yeah, and so I’ve done that with Jennifer so many times and I know I’ve had people say to me, you know Well, you know his family, you know, whatever Yeah,
well thank you and thank you for saying that because I literally I’m sorry I’m looking over at this other screen here because just the other day I was answering a question on Quora, hacking the afterlife forum, we have like all these people that ask questions, you know, not about anything. And I try to [00:43:00] focus on data researcher experience, and I was about to answer a question, and I heard the words, lead with love. I love you. And let love be your guide. Something like that. The third one I’m not so sure. But lead with love, that was for sure. And I love you. And then I clicked on the question. And the question was something about, you know, this idea of Jesus and et cetera, et cetera. It was like he was giving me the answer before I even clicked on the question.
sorry, say that again. That microphone, just turn it a little bit closer to you.
Yeah.[00:44:00] Yeah, yeah, and I, you know, listen, I try to say this, um, because this is in the data. We’re all mediums. We all have variations of filters. So when we’re asleep, the filters are down and you hear a message from Grandma, Grandpa, Uncle Pete, Aunt Betty. We wake up and it was like, oh, that was weird. I think I heard from Aunt Betty last night and we don’t tell anybody
because people will go, what are you, nuts? And we do have these things that happen all the time. And especially, people have had near death experiences, quite a few. It’s like they opened the garden gate. And so now, so I like to point out that we’re all mediums. We’re all mediums of different levels and different filters. But if you just allow that it’s a little unusual, and that it’s okay. Because he’s not saying anything negative, you know. Lead with love. Love yourself, and give love. You know, and so, I mean, that [00:45:00] sounds kind of vaguely religious, but I try to point out none of this is religious. None of this, what I’m reporting, is, I know it sounds weird for me to say it, none of it has to do with belief, none of it has to do with faith, as much as I know people want to connect those two things, and it’s okay, that helps people, but it’s all reporting, it’s all. Research and data, it’s what people consistently say. You know, so some of the things that he said, that, mind bending, blow my mind, um, because I ask, you know, well tell me about the Bible, how accurate is that? And he said, the Bible is a metaphor. And then I, and then of course I’m thinking to myself, well, what about, like, religions, you know? It should, people follow you, but I just ask the question, what’s your opinion about religions? And he says, All religions point to the same garden. And when [00:46:00] you examine that sentence, you know, love your neighbor as yourself, I mean that’s throughout almost all religious scripture, everywhere, in every religion.
Love your neighbor as yourself. So all religions point to the same garden. Then he says things like, you don’t have to follow me. When I heard that I was like, what? He said, you don’t have to follow me, but allow me to walk beside you. And we’re all just walking each other home. You know, when he put it that way, it was like, oh my God, cause that is, the word home shows up a lot in the research, and for him to say that through somebody else who doesn’t know Jesus, doesn’t, isn’t religious, and they’re saying, I don’t know why he’s talking, but I’m hearing that, I don’t even believe in him, but here’s what he said. But the most telling and profound for me was, you know, after about the third, third or fourth time hearing somebody say these things. I didn’t die on the cross, and [00:47:00] I’m, I still exist like everybody does, but people call on me quite a bit so, uh, I’m happy to show up and help them. When he, and then when he said that, I said, um, why are you telling me? Or why, but I put it more like, why are you telling this alternate version of your life and his answer in more than one person? It’s not alternate if it’s true. Which is a weird logic problem. He’s accurate. And it’s almost like he gave me the answer that I can’t argue with. You see? Because he’s telling this alternate story and it’s like, Why, why do we need to hear this alternate story?
And, and when he says it’s not alternative, it’s true. And then truth sets people free. I’ve heard this, not from him, but other people, truth sets people free on both sides of the veil. So you’re walking [00:48:00] through life suffering and having a hard time. Truth helps you, whatever it is that happened to you or the trauma, you find out the truth behind it and that helps you.
It heals you. People on the other side have experienced trauma in life, and they’ve maybe never resolved it with the people that they experienced it with, but hearing that somebody can resolve it sets them free in a manner of speaking as well. You know, being able to talk to their loved ones on stage, and having them respond, and then continue the conversation. You know, because it’s very often in the research where people will say, you know, I love my grandmother so much and I miss her so much. And then, you know, they do a hypnotherapy session or a guided meditation and they’re like, well, grandma’s saying she’s been trying to talk to me for so long, but because I’m so emotional or thick or not aware [00:49:00] of it, I can’t hear her.
And that’s been frustrating. And then once she’s able to say that, it sets Grandma free too, you see.

Richard Martini: Love, love, yeah.
No, exactly. Well, I, you know, listen. In the book, Hacking the Afterlife, I had a whole bunch of stuff. There’s a bunch, you know, I, I allowed myself to do as many Jesus stories up till then. I, you know, I hadn’t done this more extensive thing. But when the book was done, I called up Jennifer as a joke. You know, Jennifer the medium.
I said, well, let’s ask people that we interviewed if they have something for the book cover a blurb It’s kind of a joke. You know, we talked to Robin Williams. [00:50:00] We talked to Edgar Cayce. We talked to Prince
Yeah people on the other side. We talked to Jesus
and and so then she I left that message for her and then about an hour later I get this call and it’s It’s actually she sends me like six different Three minute conversations where she’s just channeling them and asking them.
And so, uh, Prince said, reading your book is like flying off a cliff. You have to fly more, Richard. And it’s like a music notes flying into the ether. Edgar Cayce said, you’re going to change the paradigms of disbelievers. Like a weird thing to say. Um, my friend Howard Schultz, who had passed away, said, Good luck convincing people you’re talking to me.
I thought that was pretty good.
And Jesus was, Jesus was, I, you know, I’ve got it somewhere, but it was, it was thanking [00:51:00] me for letting him tell his story. That’s what it was. It was thanking me for letting me tell the story. But also Robin Williams, I thought was, I’m sorry to say Jesus, but Robin had the best quote and it was love, love.
And then it was like, well, what does that mean? And he said, well, love what love is. Love yourself. Love everyone else. Love the act of love. Love being in love. That’s why you’re on the planet is to love love.
so Oh yeah, that’s right. Yeah.[00:52:00] And, and I, and I will add that I’ve heard from many people, many people who’ve been suffering or even thought of ending it all, and they’ll tell me that, that Robin showed up in their mindset, you know, in their dream, sometimes dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire,
and just like made them laugh, made them laugh until they cried, and then suddenly just changed the paradigm. So it’s like he’s still helping people from the flip side.
Beautiful to hear.
What? We just started.
All right, so we got, we are, this is our third episode. [00:53:00] We got into the meat of the plot
of the story. And I just want to apologize to everybody that this information disturbs. I’ve tried to say this to Kristen. I’m not, you don’t see me talking around selling. I’m not trying to sell anybody a new paradigm. But because I was asked to share this information, I have to. There’s nothing else I can do. And I, trust me, I don’t think anyone’s going to believe anything I’m saying for another hundred years. But eventually, they’ll come to the realization that these stories that he’s telling, I’m sure there’s stuff I’ve gotten wrong, absolutely. But if you want to talk to him, you can. And allow him to
answer your questions.
[00:54:00] It’s definitely mind bending, [00:55:00] but you know, and again, I just want to point out that it’s look, somebody mentioned this the other day. It’s not just about Jesus. Yes, indeed it is. That’s what this book is about. But it’s that everyone who’s been on the planet, some portion of their conscious energy is always back home or where we come from, and you can access them, whether it’s Aunt Betty, Uncle Pete, Or whether it’s him, or whether it’s Krishna, or whether it’s Buddha.
You can ask them questions, meditate on allowing them to answer, and they may not answer immediately. It might come later on, in a visual, or a message, or something, or a song. Allow that they’re doing their best to help you, if you sincerely want to ask the question.
Thank you!
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