Ray Catania is an acclaimed author, metaphysical teacher, theorist, and coach. He is a survivor of a near death experience and has dedicated How life to helping others achieve their full potential. Ray unique approach combines scientific theories with his own life experiences to reveal how anyone can harness the power of the mind, create their own reality, and be limitless. Catania has written 2 captivating books in his awakening series. The atheist and the I, and you are still I, now act like it.
His profound insights and intuitive abilities have made him a sought after practitioner in scientific spiritualism and the practical applications of metaphysics. With a thriving private practice, he guides individuals on their transformative journeys. Ray work has helped tons of people to a achieve the spiritual awakening that they have been seeking. It’s so wonderful to have you. Thank you for being here, Ray.
Chris, and thank you so much for having me as your guest. It’s an honor and a privilege.
So wonderful. And I am excited for you to be able to share your experience and your wisdom for others to benefit from as they move through their journey of knowing why they’re here and how to connect with their soul and just learn the lessons we’re here to learn ideally. As a starting place, please share a bit about who you were in life before your NDE, and then we’ll lead up to your NDE.
Sure. So back to the beginning, I would say I came from I of a troubled home, you know, it wasn’t particularly pleasant I, and it was kind of chaotic with a lot of fighting arguing Agamata and trauma. So coming from that environment, I learned chaos, and chaos was I of my comfort zone. And when that happens and, you know, when you’re very, very young, I took that with me, you know, throughout my teen years and and into my twenties and if things around me weren’t chaotic, I’d make them so, or I would find an environment that was chaotic because you feel like because I’m comfortable there. I know how to navigate that.
I? But when things were normal as as, I guess, we say, I didn’t know how to handle that. I didn’t know how to deal with So I felt uncomfortable with normalcy and, you know, felt better around chaos. So I I would placed myself in situations that were pretty dangerous that most people would, you know, run the other way from. But I chose jobs where, you know, I could lose my life or, you know, I was just I was a troubled kid and growing up in in an environment where, you know, I would kinda up the stakes as I went along.
I I was also rebellious against my my family and their Christianity. I didn’t really think that there could be this loving God that would just allow many of the things that I saw transpire actually happen, but I didn’t understand things yet. And so but there was always, you know, there was always this being. There was always something or someone that was on the other side that was kinda I, had my back in the strangest, most dangerous moments, if you will. You know, 1 of them, when I was a child, I had swum out too far in the ocean, but my parents took me down the Shore, and we were swimming out, and the under toes taking me Ray, and I’m going farther and farther from shore.
And I’m trying to wait for the lifeguard, but he’s looking the other way because there’s about, you know, 15 kids on that side that he’s pulling out. And it was only me on the other side. No one’s really looking at Made, and I’m beginning to go under, and I start to panic. You know? And so and I’m waving to my father who’s unsure.
I don’t know what the heck he’s looking It, but I’m going, hey. Hey. I’m going down over here. But so as I felt like I was, you know, about to I, here’s this feeling. First of all, it was like a feeling of warmth and calmness.
It was just from head to toe. I went from panicking to complete calmness and the the being or the voice or whatever you want, I don’t hear it, but I I know it. It’s just a knowing, and it said swim sideways take all the time you need. Swim sideways Made all the time you need and and and calm down. And so that’s what I did.
I just I felt this feeling of calmness. I started to swim I, and it took me a long time, but I got too sure. And I remember getting there and just collapsing, and then all these people came around me. But the thing was It that that’s not the only time that this presence made its presence known. There were other times where I I I worked for some shady characters and after hours in a bar, there was a shootout, and being It that I’m hiding under the bar.
I’m not a part of this. I’m I, and I’m trying to figure out how I’m gonna get out of here and the being says, I door, side door, side door. And I’m thinking, well, I can’t go out the side door without the shooter seeing Made. But there was no other option. There was no other way out.
So I went for It, and I went out the side door. And then there’s another corridor about 40 feet that I I Ray How, and I went out that side door. And don’t you know for some strange reason I parked my car right there that I? I never parked my car there. And I I I got right into my car.
I remember I was trying to put the keys in. I dropped them. I picked them up. I dropped them. And it was just amazing that time and time again, there’s always been something there that’s helped me in the worst times of my life.
And yet I rejected it as not Ray. Like, who would wanna help Made, you know, I, I had no self worth. I didn’t feel like certainly, you know, I’m not I’m not particularly intelligent or, you know, did anything deserving of having this being. You know, I’m not chosen or smart or anything like that. It’s just I don’t know.
I don’t have the answer as to why my life was spared. And then I was around 20 years old when I actually did die and that was a fire in my home. And I I was still living at How, my parents, and the kitchen was on the first floor, and my bedroom was just above the kitchen. And there was a gas leak that was from the the stove, and it was natural gas, so it rose. And it rose right into my Through, and I would I was breathing it all night long.
And I guess It the morning, my mom came down, turned the stove on to make breakfast or what have you, and and it went just I up in flames. And the whole wall right behind the the stove caught I, And the way I understand the story, the fire wasn’t really very big, and my father put it out quickly. But the gas was was what was, you know, I was inhaling all I. And so I hear the fire trucks. I hear the police coming.
And I don’t know what’s going on yet because I’m just asleep and I try to get up and all of a sudden It was I, half of my body was just paralyzed. I could not move my legs. I couldn’t move my head off the pillow. It felt like my head weighed I a ton, and and I couldn’t yell. I couldn’t yell for help.
Not that anybody would hear me anyway because there were so much ruckus and everything going on downstairs. But I Ray to get out of the bed, and I’m pulling myself, you know, with my 2 arms that are kinda working. And I’m pulling myself to the edge of the bed and I remember passing out a couple of times as I got close to the edge. And I knew if I didn’t get out that I was I was gonna die. I knew that.
So I pulled with everything I had and I tumbled out of the bed and I came down face first. And I hit the floor, and I knew I hit the floor. But here’s the strange I. I didn’t feel any pain from hitting the floor. And that later I learned It, this is actually something that other people have experienced right at their death.
You don’t feel pain and you don’t know why. But I was my body was dead at that point. My energy or my soul or whatever you wish to call It was above It. In a in a Courtney, like a neutral Courtney, and I’m looking down at my lifeless body. And this does not scare me at all in the moment.
Because it actually feels wonderful. Like, it feels more alive than I’ve ever felt. Actually being alive. And the light was adjacent to Made, and it’s it’s exactly as you’ve heard. Huge cone shape I light I a tunnel, and it’s just shining on Made, my energetic self, not my dead self, my energy.
And I’m more or less co mingled with this light. I’m 1 with the I, and the feeling is euphoric. It love, it’s painlessness, it’s every positive adjective I could possibly give you. It was amazing. I wanted to go further into the light.
I wanted to keep going into the light. And and I did. And then here’s the being again at the end of the I. And he or she, I don’t know which, is saying, It Ray. Right?
You can come into the I. And so I proceed to go It, and then the euphoria increases. The more I go in. And I thought that this was the most amazing thing. It was it was beautiful.
And then my father comes into the room and he scoops me up and starts yelling for the paramedics, and I’m I can see this, and I can hear this. And I see him break down and cry which is not something I’ve ever seen my father do, nor has he ever put his arms around me with the exception of when I’m dead. So I wanted that love and that affection that I was witnessing. So I thought that if I went back, and I was allowed to go back, then I would have that maybe. And so I kinda, like, started to, well, negotiate, if you will, to go back.
And I said, you know, I can’t leave him like that. Can I go back? And the next thing I know, I I wake up, I’m not in that room anymore. I’m not in his arms anymore. I’m on the floor of the living room, which is downstairs, of course.
And the paramedics are on top of Made, and they they have all their tools and stuff, and they’re working on Made. And and I I I’m kind of a little bit out of it, but I’m like, guys, I feel I feel Ray. Like, this is the best I’ve ever felt It fact, you know, like, you I’m good. I’m good. You know, like, you’re not good.
You have no idea, but you’re not good. And they they they they’re, like, bring up the truck. Bring up the truck. They’re, like, in a hurry, and I’m like, wait. Wait.
We gotta find the what did you see the did you see the I, did you hear the voice? You guys you guys watch this stuff. And, you know, of course, they’re they’re now I, Ray. What’s this guy on? Right?
And I didn’t wanna wind up going to the wrong It, so I just shut my mouth and I let them take me away. Because even before that, like, when I was a I and there was all the turmoil in my household, I kinda hid from that by, you know, I to get away from it by hiding, I should say. And I would hide for hours and hours and hours and it was almost like self a meditative state that I would put myself in for hours every day. And in that doing that day after day, month after month, you start to see and experience another part of the world or our universe that we all just take for granted, and that’s the energy that makes up everything. And It you just I would I I would be staring at a wall for hours eventually, I can see the the energy in the wall, and I can just I can see the lines in the wall.
It’s not a wall at all. And this was I normal to me because I just thought everybody could see You know? I I didn’t think anything of it. And so I had this kind of, like, bond with energy that I wasn’t really aware it was anything abnormal. And then when I crossover It the age of 20 and I come back, well, now what happens is is the energies that are of the deceased come back with Made, and they have this direct Courtney.
To me. Right? So this gets where this is where things get really confusing. The next year or so or a year after I Made out, I get my own place, and I’m I got my bachelor Made. I’m 21, 2, something like that.
And I’m, like, Yeah. It’s gonna be great. We’re gonna parties all the I. And none of that ever happens because this from the moment I get inside the apartment, it feels filled with people. And and I don’t see them.
I just see lines, like, going back and forth against the white walls. And I feel energy, like, pushed up against me. Like, there’s a person pushed up against me. It’s almost I trying to get out of your way, but there’s nobody there. To get out of the way.
And this would go on night after night after night, and they were very persistent later I learned, they’re just trying to get my attention to get a message across to somebody, but I don’t know this at the time. I just think I’m losing my mind. So I turned to drugs and alcohol. You know? I’m I’m 20 something.
So and I
Not no. Not at that point. No. No. No.
Did you tell anyone And I know as you’re coming too, like, I’m doing great. Do you guys see the light? Did you tell anyone after that that you had had that experience? And I asked, like, It this in the late eighties, early nineties? Like, what time period is this?
So if I’m 20, it’s it’s 80 it’s gotta be I. I think it’s I think it’s 1990. Yeah. And my mother would have been the first 1 that I told, and she, you know, shot it down. I know that she went through a stage of I.
Because she felt I, well, I left my kid upstairs and he I. Right? On my watch, that’s gotta be very traumatic for her. She didn’t actually admit that the whole thing took place until the book came out. And she called me up and, you know, we told me details I wasn’t even aware of.
Apparently, I died 4 more times in the hospital on I mean, in the ambulance on the Ray to the hospital, but I didn’t know that she did. So I mean, it was it was I I mentioned anything like that to anyone, it would always be you know, shot How. So there really weren’t many times that I mentioned it at all. And, you know, my mother’s outright telling me it didn’t even happen. I knew.
I it really yeah. More crazy. Right. You know? Like, okay.
You know, I didn’t even so that’s why I guess I gravitated to atheism It just because I, you know, Ray, screw all these people and their religions and their stuff and you know, I’m just gonna shut down and I’m gonna be nothing or agnostic and I’m just gonna go through my life that way and But then things increase in craziness. And when I’m in the apartment, I’m calling the maintenance guy and having him come up and check all the electric all appliances because they they turn on, they turn off. I they changed the channel when I’m trying to watch TV. I remember I played video games, and drank until I’ve passed out. I mean, that’s what I would do.
And I finally we got close to the end of the lease. And so I left 2 months early. I had a 12 month lease, and I left in 10, went into a new place thinking I’m gonna have a fresh start. No such luck. They all come with me.
Here I am again, same situation, different town.
Were you living alone in that apartment so it’s I, this is a haunted apartment. It’s not go ahead.
I well, I had a roommate. Here’s here’s the funny part. So I moved in. I was supposed to have a roommate. And it turned out that just that we had signed a lease of moving It, he never moved in because he had a girlfriend in Brooklyn, and I never saw him.
So he was never there. So I was alone. And that magnified it for sure. The second place I do have a roommate. Right?
And so we’re just doing massive amounts of drugs together. Right. He’s I’m not gonna tell him what I can see or feel because he’s going to just think I’m nuts. You know? So there’s and I knew he was not the kind of person that I would ever bring this up.
Well, even today, I probably would not tell him. Yeah. So, I mean and then after that, it wasn’t until 30 or 30 early thirties when I marry and I have 2 kids that, you know, I now have a reason for living And it’s these 2 children that I brought into this world. You know? So I have to change everything about my my life.
In this moment. And I know this because, you know, I probably would have, I don’t know, overdosed or did something stupid like that. Who knows? But the bottom line is is that I knew that these kids needed their father just like I needed a father, and I was gonna be the opposite of everything that they were and do everything correctly the way I thought it should have been done. And so I checked myself into rehab.
I went back to college. I got my degree. And our marriage fell apart very quickly, but I still had the kids, and I’m raising them as a single Made. And so I’m focused and I’m and I’m fighting and fighting and fighting to, you know, make a good living so they have everything they need. I probably overcompensated because, you know, I felt guilty about the divorce and whatnot.
So I made a very good living, and I and I and I think I gave them a good life. They’re It their twenties How. They’re and doing well. So but they were the reason that I changed I began that change. I began that process of change for them.
And it wasn’t many, many until many years later that I decide that I’m gonna try to date again and maybe settle down. And now probably in my mid forties It the height of my career, and I say, well, you know, you know, my kids are getting older. And I go online to meet somebody because that’s what we do. I? Nowadays, and they give you examples of ladies that are in your area to entice you to join their I.
And a picture popped up, and I was like, oh my god. That’s her. That. That’s my wife right there. That’s my wife.
Wow. And I just knew that. Don’t know how I knew that. I just knew It. And I joined the site And I I sent 1 email to How, and that was it.
And I told How, I said, this is the only email I’m sending. I joined the site to send you this 1 email because you don’t know it yet, but you’re my wife.
And A lot of people out.
I didn’t say it like that though. Actually, I put the exact email. It’s in the book. It’s in the first book. It’s pretty funny.
And her response is pretty funny also. So she found that amusing got back to Made, and, of course, you know, we did get married. We still live together. We’re still married. Everything is great.
And so after the crazy part wore off, she accepted me for who I was. And it even gets better because I mean, it’s amazing. Talk about acceptance. After I met her, she asked when we started getting serious, she’s pop this question. Right?
She says, so what religion are you or what’s your spiritual beliefs? And I’m like, I don’t know. What what are yours? You go first. Mhmm.
And then I was just gonna say, yeah. Yeah. That’s mine too. Sure. But she kinda held back and didn’t give me much information, and I was confused.
And I and it It about a month later or so. She says, it was my birthday. And she says, I’m gonna get you spiritual clearing for your birthday. And I said, How. That’s just great.
What is that? Yeah. I had no idea what it was. Right? So I’m being sarcastic, and I’m like, is it like a massage?
And she’s like, nah. Ray. Whatever it is, that’s great. We’ll have cake. Right?
Cake afterwards? Yes. We’ll definitely have cake. Alright. Great.
So it’s a distant clearing. I, I don’t even have to be there. I I I don’t have to be present at all. And the woman calls me on the phone, and I was at work. It was, like, 10 o’clock in the morning.
And she says, okay. I’m gonna begin the process How. And I said, oh, okay. Great. And when I’m done, I’ll call you, I’ll let you know, and you might feel strange for a couple of days.
I’m like, whatever. Okay. Thank you. I was polite. Just hung up
on that. Any research, especially with your background.
You just Oh, god. No.
This is ridiculous. Do what you’re gonna do. Thank you, honey. We’ll move on. Was Ray versus the cake.
Nothing. Nothing. I’d I’d I’m still holding on to these atheistic beliefs. Why? Because it’s simple.
It’s safe. You Made a
lot of trauma around this.
That’s exactly right. It’s comfortable. It’s safe. It’s what I know. And it makes sense to me.
And so I’m clinging to it. Alright. And even the NDE, I remember, you know, justifying it to myself as the the white light was the sun coming in through the window, and I was hallucinating because I inhaled gas fumes. And so I chalked it all up to just that. And it was I changed it from an NDE to that.
Sure. So It but now we’re getting to a point where it’s getting more and more difficult for me to deny these these truths. And after I meet her and she gives me the spiritual clearing is when things get really weird as if they’re not weird already. The up until that point, the energy that I’ve seen or felt or however you wanna say experienced was never taken a human form before. But I felt really strange afterwards.
And I remember I said I Made a really bad headache, and I’m just I’m gonna go home. It was I. I did not feel well at all after the clearing, and I went How. I laid down. And then I started to see, not with my eyes, but in this, what I call the movie screen in my mind, my third eye.
And it’s a, like, a a man’s on the screen, and he says the same thing to me over and over. He says, I effed up. I made a mistake. You can help How. I cannot.
I have no idea what the means. I don’t know who the guy is. And he says It, and it’s like a a video loop that just keeps playing again and again and again. And I I Whenever my mind went idle, like, whenever I was doing something, like, you know, brushing my teeth or driving or anything, here he comes again. So I really think I’m starting to lose It, and that was Friday, Saturday, he’s coming more frequently.
And I’m seeing it again and again and again. By Sunday, it seems like it’s every 5 minutes. I you How
seeing your wife or anything? Or you’re just like, oh, here we go. I’m losing it again.
Well, I I hear we go. I’m losing it again. I don’t wanna tell her because I don’t wanna lose her.
Your poor thing.
But I don’t tell anybody because I’m gonna I’m gonna alienate anybody from me. Right?
Yes. You work so hard to get this stability and normalcy.
And here it is again. All I I’m back in the apartment. All over again.
And so I Sunday, I couldn’t function. It got so severe that I couldn’t really carry a conversation and the breaking point I was in a store paying for my my stuff. And I don’t know what I did. If I said something or froze, But the lady behind the counter says, sir, are you okay? And I said, no.
No. Truthfully, I’m not okay. I I took my Ray back, and I went to the Ray, and I just sat there with my head down. And I said, this is, you know, this is the end of my life, and I have to start making arrangements so that my kids are taking care of. Make sure my my brother has my will and my DNR because I’m going into the light.
Nobody stopped me from going into the I, you know. And I really believe this, and and I had to tell her, you know, because Well, yeah, we have to break up. I don’t know what’s gonna happen to me. I Agamata check myself in. I don’t know what.
So I tell her and I expect and and I started to think How I my wife or my future wife at that time She’s a doctor of psychology and neuropsychology. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can’t make this stuff up.
And She’s the 1 that I this kind of gift, so I’m so
That’s right. Stuff. Exactly. Exactly. But I don’t see that coming yet, and I tell her what I see.
And what I hear and what happens. And the reaction I thought I was gonna get was that she was gonna run for the hills and just, you know, give me a phone number. Call this doctor and never call me again. But instead, I got something I never saw coming. She said, Oh my god.
I think you can talk to my dad. And I said, your dad’s dead. She goes, I know. And I, what does It make any sense to me? What are you talking about?
She goes, maybe you’re I medium and you don’t know it. And I was like, what the hell is a psychic medium? And in that moment, I’m like, she’s crazy. Check, please. I’m out of here.
I going. Uh-huh. You need help, honey. And, you know, I mean, I I make jokes about it, but thank God she was like that. You know, and and she proceeded to tell me that she saw several mediums in the past, seeking her father, and he and and he always shows up.
And she said there’s a particular medium that’s coming around, and she’s gonna be at so and so’s How. She Ray in there for a week. We can book appointments. You can meet with her. She’s really good and tell her what you see and and how it happens and compare notes and get all your answers.
Are you feeling relief? Like, oh, thank god. Finally, I can talk to someone, or are you still do be as I’m thinking this is just
I’m still not sure what to think until I meet How. But I’ve got nothing to lose.
Well, it’s either that or deaf in your I. You’re checking out. Yeah.
So I may as well meet with her. And I I I do. But I don’t really I don’t know what to expect. I I did not look this up because I didn’t wanna go in with preconceived notions It I did, I could taint the information. Right?
And then I would not know if it was real again. Even the NDE, I couldn’t research because we didn’t have a personal computer in 1990, there was nothing I could there was nothing. And if you ask somebody, they’d be like, what are you talking about? You know? So, especially in my neighborhood, And so now I’m at a I’m at this point where I’m meeting this woman and I’m petrified of what the results are gonna be because, really, How that I understand what a medium does, I don’t know that I like that either.
So I sit with her and I say, I. I’m Ray. She goes, oh, you’re that I. And I was like, I does that mean? She goes, nothing.
Nothing. Just have a seat. Tell me tell me what’s happening. And I said, well, I’m I’m insane. And she says, tell me more about it.
And she proceeded to tell me very seriously how her parents thought that she was insane, and they actually had her evaluated and put Ray for It, and she was not. She was a medium. Mhmm. So, you know, we we we chatted for an How, and I told her how I see things and and the vibrations that I get, and the the change in the room, and then how the lines and that and then the movie screen opens, and she says, that’s it. That’s exactly the way I see it.
That’s exactly the way we all see it. And I’m like, we all, there’s Made of you. So It that moment, I did feel relief, but I also felt, well, what am I what are my obligations? What do I have to do with this? Like, why is it there and why would you give it to me of all people?
So It was I back to why do you save my life and why do I I can I do this and none of this makes any sense? But I’m mature enough that I know I’ve got to figure this out because I can’t handle it the way I did in the past and just go to alcohol and drugs. As much as I wanted to, I never did that Catania. And thank God. So with her guidance, she actually mentored me for the 1st year and taught me how to turn it on, how to turn it off, you know, how to control It, not really turn it off, but How to, I, it’s almost like a cell phone call.
You can now I can reject the call or I can answer the call, you know, whereas before it was just Zoom, it it it owned Made. Not the other way around. And after a year of being with her, it was the next birthday. How, I you, every birthday something like amazing takes place. I don’t know why.
We always go away from my birthday and something crazy happens. So here’s the 2nd birthday. Here’s what happens. She says, where do you wanna go? You know, we can go anywhere you want.
You wanna go to, like, a beach or this or that? And I said, no. I wanna go to the middle of nowhere where there’s a bunch of trees. I don’t care if I have an outhouse. I don’t need any amenities.
I just need trees. That’s all I need. I don’t know why but now I’m a tree I. I used to make fun of tree huggers. Now I am 1.
Don’t cut this tree How. Not on my watch. Mhmm. So we’re there, and we meditate pretty much the whole time that we’re there. And she takes out a portrait that was drawn and she shows it to Made.
And I’m like, that’s him. She’s I, and she’s I, smiling. I’m like, that that’s your dad. Right? That’s him.
She’s like, I know. I know. This 1 of the mediums was a spirit artist, and he drew what he saw. And I said, yes. But you you don’t understand that’s exactly the way I see him too.
The even the shirt, that’s the shirt. Wow. And she’s they joked about that shirt. It was How Christmas shirt. Because he was a he was a builder for a living, a very successful 1, but he had the 1 nice shirt that he would break out once a year.
Otherwise, he was in work boots. Right? So it was a very notable shirt. And as soon as I saw the shirt, I was like, that’s him. That’s just that’s crazy.
I gotta meet this guy. Not the guy in the picture, but the guy who drew the picture. So we search for him online It it comes up and it says, How accepting students for a 2 year mentorship program with Made Joe. The deadline to apply is February 15th.
Through 1 can script this.
I trying to.
What is the date of your birthday? What’s your birthday?
February 15th. Yeah.
Oh I gosh.
Yeah. So she says that you’re gonna I, and I said, are you kidding? This is universal or divine intervention. Now I’m talking this way.
I’m 1 of them.
I’m 1 of them now. I’m hugging trees, and I’m talking about divinity. So I submit my application and then there’s another application and then there’s an interview and then there’s another application and then there’s something else. And it just continues and goes on and on and on and on. And I thought I didn’t get it because I never heard anything from him and to speak to his integrity.
He is so amazing. I called his assistant. And I I said, so I didn’t get it. Right? And she’s like, oh, no.
No. No. We didn’t make any decisions yet. And she’s like, there were hundreds of applications. And this program was multi years and cost 1000 of dollars.
Hundreds of people times 1000 of dollars. But he was only going to accept the person, the people that could he could prove were real. He could’ve just taken everybody. He said, yeah. You’re all mediums.
Come on in and filled up his bank account in 1 shot.
When fall? Had a windfall and then gone. And I’m
not even sure. I could Made done what he did. But when I got I did get accepted, obviously, I was number 11 of 11. And then eventually, there was, like, 14, but that was couple of weeks It, a few Made people’s trickled in. But that’s it.
it. Super selective. And so he And
I was like, you’re my guy, man. You’re you’re you’re the dad I didn’t have. I staying with you forever.
You’re the dad I didn’t have.
I told him not too. Yeah. And it’s been, like, 4 years, at least. No. It’s been longer.
I don’t I. I’m I’m losing track of the years, but I’ve been I’m like, I’m never I don’t care if it’s a 2 year program because I’m with you for the rest of my life or, you know, whatever whatever happens. And he’s like, that’s fine. But I don’t practice mediumship because I really respect those that do. It’s really, really taxing on the emotional self.
You have to allow the energy of others to enter you. Mhmm. And it’s that quantum entanglement that stays with you well after the reading is over. And it could take hours before that presence leaves my body. And I’m feeling all of their emotions during that I.
Even my mentor, I think he’s I think he’s caps it Through a day is the most he can do if and and he doesn’t do it every Ray. Because he he teaches. And then, you know so I chose a different path because I was just starting to find happiness. Now I’m writing the second book. And and as I’m writing the second book, I writing more about science and how physics plays a role in spirituality, and I’m bringing those 2 together so that I can prove to I.
Really Mhmm. That this stuff is real. And I can talk about it in a way that I’m educated and I can explain how something like the law of attraction works from a physical perspective of scientific data that’s been proven by people like Tesla and Einstein and Niels It, so so on and so forth, all the grandfathers of quantum physics. And the more I understood that the more I could see the relationship between metaphysics and physics and bringing those 2 together made the light bulb go off for me. And then I just completely consumed every piece of information I could find on both of those topics.
I went back to college again, floor metaphysics, working towards my PhD, Hopefully, it’ll be in 2024. It’s I 6 year took me 10 years to graduate regular college. So 6 years Through you know, a postgrad. Yeah. I’m right on track, maybe.
I gotcha. Do you know what you need to do? What comes up? I mean, tell me if I’m tracking with you or if
Made not. But Yeah.
I absolutely understand that it is that quantum entanglement and how draining that It, but also I’m hearing the weight and the tax of feeling I such an outsider and such a crazy person Mhmm. So that there was this collective, especially in in the circles that you were gravitating towards, like, only insane people are gonna have that experience. If you can be a part of proving at
quantum mechanical physics level, that this is not woo woo
It actually empirical evidence. It helps other people recognize It as something we need to embrace rather than just those people do it. And that other people won’t have to go through Courtney feeling of feeling crazy to the point where you wanted to die.
That’s why I released the first book and the second book. And as much as I did not want to say all the things that are in there in order for me to have my own integrity, and be honest with my self, I had to put it all in there, the good, the bad, the ugly, everything. And, yes, that was the point so that somebody else who’s experiencing what I was experiencing, having self doubt, having other people tell you crazy potentially being locked up It for something that’s magical and not insanity. Yes. Like my first mentor was, and that’s the reason I put it out there.
I, you’re the conduit. You’re the holding both worlds and saying you can come this direction.
Yeah. Yeah, if you’re if you’re feeling this, if you’re seeing this, and there’s things that everyone can do. You don’t have to be a medium. I mean, we’re all I hate the word psychic. We’re all intuitive, you know.
And we all have the ability to tap into what we call our god I or that’s what they call it in college. It’s the the I above your awareness, which is your highest level of consciousness according to Eckertole, he refers to his awareness that is a direct connection to God, to the universe, to the collective, what call it what you will, but that’s where you should go when you’re trying to make a decision about your life or you wanna manifest something or you wanna make huge changes instead of the egoic mind, which, you know, we know is directly attached to the subconscious I, and that lives in the past. That lives in yesterday. That’s where the world of chaos resides for me. So I have to stay out of there.
I can’t go back there, do the same thing, and expect a different result tomorrow. So I had to find this new place. I had to find this new Made.
Well, it’s really interesting that you say I had to find this new place, this new me because there was a wisdom that you had It as a child as you’re trying to survive chaos as you called it, that you became quiet and you went into that realm quite naturally as a way of self soothing. And not feeling alone. So it’s almost like you’re returning to you, but now you have the adult mind to have the parameters and the understanding and the teachings and the language.
That’s well said because you’re exactly right. I wanted to escape the reality I was in so badly that I did, but I didn’t know I was doing it. Because I was a child.
And it’s something that happens to a lot of people during traumatic events your mind is actually detachable from your body. You It can come off and go someplace else. And it happens when you’re being beaten, let’s say, to within inches of your death and you do not want to experience this, you can have your mind to leave so that it doesn’t experience it and your mind goes directly to the other side, your body is gonna be gone. And Right. And it’s it is a protection that’s, I think, is built into us.
It is. I mean, they call it dissociative, you know, and they can talk about it in a way that is pathologizing. Mhmm. Right? But it’s also when people talk about remote viewing Mhmm.
Or a way of moving out of I you’re saying, traumatic situations. Can I can we get back to your NDA for a moment?
Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Sure.
So I actually 2 questions. 1 before we get to the NDE is How young were you when you felt that presence of a being? And that relationship felt not Ray, but present.
The you mean the energy that was, like, in the closet when I was I? Okay. I I’m in single digits for sure. I don’t I don’t know that I can recall the very first, but, you know, we’re definitely talking about between the ages of I or something along those I. Mhmm.
Too small to, you know, defend myself or do anything. So hiding was the answer and being hidden. The the the only thing we had was a radio. I remember I I would have a radio I, and I would listen to the I. And they were, like, my they were on ever the they play 100 of games in baseball, 100 games, something in baseball.
So I had a lot of games that I could listen to. But other than that, there was really not much else that I could do. So I was just trying to escape my world, and I didn’t have anything to escape with. Yes. And in a way, it was kind of a blessing because I learned how to do that naturally even though later I turned to drugs and alcohol and other things to do It.
I actually learned how to do it and that it could be done. And and you don’t have to go through that kind of trauma
To do it.
That’s right. That’s right. Okay. You went into an altered state, but when that became too threatening, because everyone’s telling you, if you actually say that either, it didn’t happen, which the only alternative is that you are insane. So a more accessible and socially acceptable route is getting high.
Right? So growth or altered states.
So then when you have your NDE and you’re reacquainted with this being, and I know what I’m hearing you say is I it was like a clear cognizant. It was just a knowing. It wasn’t necessarily a scene until when you came back and then you started seeing no gospel. When you felt him, I don’t really have the language, It it just a feeling, or did you see or how did you experience?
So I can’t
It’s so hard to answer that question with the regular words that we have Yeah. The interpretation or perception was I felt that I could see something, did not look human, just look like I. It the very end of the light, there was no hearing. It was just a transmittal transmission of information from being to being that came right into my head, and yet somebody says, can you describe the voice and the first thing that came to my mind was blue. I don’t know.
It’s not it doesn’t make sense. I can’t put a a human design on it. I can’t put something that you like, we can really talk about. I just I I I felt blue. I I don’t mean, like, I was sad.
No. That’s okay. That’s okay. And I know because they’re and, again, language is so very, very limited, but there’s just a different experience that goes outside of what in our sentient bodies we can experience. Okay.
So then fast forwarding, you have this mentor, you’re going through this intensive, and you’re starting to recognize Mhmm. This is a gift. Not sure why it was given to me, but what do I feel called to do with It? Right. Tell Made, and I’m hearing the books.
Tell me how you coach people and what your message is that feels so connected to your mission with these gifts.
Sure. So It was during the writing of the second book that I had my awakening, my biggest spiritual awakening. I believe we have many en route to enlightenment. And I’m not enlightened by any means. But, you know, I hope to get there 1 Ray, but I’m not I’ve got plenty to learn.
I I’m I’m a student and a teacher at the same I, and I’m able to help people with the things that I’ve already experienced. And 1 of the greatest gifts that I I think I have is that, oh, the last spiritual awakening I had was a clear egoic fracture where I lost negative emotions that were my regular go to emotions for just about everything if it wasn’t happiness. So, sadness would bring me to anger and confusion would bring me to anger and sadness would bring me to anger. And How, Angers kind of off the table. I experience it, but maybe for a second or 2, it’s not it doesn’t take me over.
It doesn’t drive me to do stupid things. It’s not it it may come up, and then it goes down. And it’s just that feeling, you know, I believe that enlightenment is not a state of bliss. It’s a state of not having the negative emotions. It’s not having super happiness.
That’s that’s That’s a fallacy. It’s being content, being okay with not being okay because you’re never gonna be perfect. You’re never gonna be Ray. You’re always gonna want something.
So be content with who you are and what you are that’s enlightenment no matter what your situation It a cardboard box, in a beautiful house, in a bicycle or in a Ray. Whatever your It is is beautiful. And when you feel that way, and you live that Ray. You are a different being. And that is what I teach, but people will come to me and they’ll say, well, I experience anxiety or experience this or experience that.
But the underliness, but under all of that It the same thing for all of us. We extract from our past experiences we bring them to our present and we expect to be a different person to have a different result and feel different and it doesn’t work. So when we cut the egoic I, that that thing that attaches and tells us what to do and tells us we’re not good enough, says, you know, don’t don’t do that. You’ll look stupid. You can’t accomplish that.
You can’t be wealthy. You can’t, you know, blah blah blah blah. Cut that. And learn. Your awareness is right there, and it’s connected to your God I.
And go that way every time and not go this Ray. And you can teach yourself how to do that. And receive information downloads, we call them, that are gonna blow your I. You’d be like, why didn’t I think of that sooner? Why didn’t I do that sooner?
So instead of getting frustrated or angry, now I get information. And and It and I and I write it down because it’s it’s, you know, it’s the transmission of it. We’re not used to it. So we can forget It. So I make sure I record it, write it down, and go back to It, and utilize it later.
So that’s what I’m teaching is how to have your spiritual awakening, how to get to that place where, you know, not everything is perfect, but all the bad things are not so bad anymore. They’re really not.
Yeah. Gosh. It’s just Ray before yesterday, I was interviewing someone else, and she said very much the same thing, really emphasizing the word contentment and saying, you know, there are the ups and downs, but it’s that sense of peace and freedom in the midst of it that you’re not just this ping pong ball that’s going from anger to despair to moments of happiness that you’re trying to chase.
Yeah. Like a ping pong ball, and you’re just I all over the place. And no matter what happens good or bad, you’re always gonna come back to this place of contentment. And love that place. Because wherever you are, you know, you can I when people say I need a vacation, I’m like a vacation from, what do you need a vacation from?
Because you’re gonna uplift yourself from here and you’re going to go there. And then it’s still gonna be you.
That’s right. That’s right.
So you don’t really need a vacation. You just need to be happy with where you are regardless of where you are.
Yeah. That’s that’s what I try to teach.
So time is coming to an end here, and I know there are I assume there are lots of texture layered, important series of lessons that you teach. But if you could give advice to someone to say, listen, if you wanna move more in this direction, if you just start with this small practice. Mhmm. And everyone is different. You know, for some people, it might be automatic reading.
For some people, it might be mindfulness just on a walk in nature. Some people might be meant patient, but is there something that for you feels important to communicate?
Oh, yeah. There’s a practice that I call the attitude of gratitude, and it’s a part of the meditation that for manifestation. But you can take that 1 simple part out and do it I. It takes less than a minute to do It. And here’s what it is.
You just you can close your eyes or leave them open. It doesn’t really matter. Just relax yourself and put yourself into as close to a relaxed state as possible, and recite all the things that you’re thankful for, that you’re grateful for. That’s the attitude of gratitude. What that does is you’re changing your frequency as you’re saying the things that you’re thankful for.
I don’t care how bad your life It. You have good stuff. You have it. You just you need to say It, and you need to be grateful for it so that it comes to the surface. And you’re reminded So, yeah, this terrible event may have happened, but turn around and do your attitude of gratitude and say all the things that you’re thankful for in all the things that you have to be grateful for, and it’s gonna diminish this horrible experience that you’re in right now or this frustrating thing that you’re you’re dealing with.
And it’s gonna raise your frequency and bring you to a different place. And I yet I’ve yet to see anyone do the attitude of gratitude and be in a bad mood afterwards regardless of what it is you’re dealing with because it’s it’s just too uplifting of a process. To to allow you to stay down.
So good. So good. What we are believing, what we are thinking How such a profound impact on how we Made through our lives and what we attract. I love it. I love it.
So how can people find you, learn about you, work with them.
Ray is my website. And from there, you can contact me through the contact page. And if you’re interested in coaching, you can let me know. It you’re interested in the books, the website will show you where to get them. They’re pretty much everywhere.
The first 1 is the 8th in the I, and the second 1 is your still I, now act like it. And thank you. Thank you so much for allowing me to say that. I I really appreciate that. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much for sharing all that you have. It means so much to me, and I’m sure for countless others. So I really, really appreciate you. Thank you.
Thank you, Kristen. Thank you.