TMF S3E6 Dr Sonya Bhole
Monica Royer: [00:00:00] Today on The Mentor Files, I’m incredibly excited to welcome my good friend and highly esteemed professional, Dr. Sonia Bollé. Sonia, welcome.

Thank you, Monica. I’m so excited to be here.

Oh my gosh, I’m so excited for you to be here and I feel like this is kind of a different podcast for me in that I feel like I have so many serious conversations.

And I know, although you and I have serious conversations, this is also a podcast. One of my good friends, and I feel like we’ll give a little bit more, and hopefully a repeat, yeah. So, the goal is to have Sonia on multiple times to talk about many different things. But to kind of start, Sonia, tell everybody a little bit about you and kind of what you do.

Um, okay, so it’s such an open ended question. I never know how to answer that. But, um, I am a breast radiologist at Northwestern. So, I am one of the doctors that specializes in breast imaging. So, anything related to the breast, so mammograms, ultrasounds, MRIs, I do screening mammograms, I read them, I don’t, my technologists perform them and I’m the doctor that reads them, um, and so you’ll see my name at the bottom of the report.

But I also do clinics, [00:01:00] so people that have breast pain or feeling something or following something, I see them in my clinics. Um, and then I do the biopsies. Um, and then I also help queue patients up for surgery by placing little markers and localizations and for surgeons to know where to take things out.

So I’m really that doctor that specializes in breast imaging.

So, if you’re listening to this and you’re thinking about As a mom, maybe how you haven’t had time for yourself. I feel like we would be remiss to not say, make sure you’re getting your yearly mammogram if you’re at the age to do so. And honestly, make sure you’re going to the dentist and doing all the appointments.

Cause I think you and I have talked about this at one point. It’s like you do such a good job scheduling your kids first off, but sometimes as moms, and especially during COVID you look up and you’re like. Oh my gosh, I haven’t, I haven’t like checked in on myself and it’s so important for us to be able to do so.

100%. And yeah, we’ll just do a little shout out that every month is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. So make sure you’re getting your mammograms if you’re of age. But absolutely, I agree. The dentist, like I was actually thinking about that on the way up here. I get the little cards in the mail, the postcards that are like, [00:02:00] you know, your kid’s appointments coming up.

And I’m like, when is my last appointment? I have no idea.

It’s so true.

So all of these things, like girls trips. hydrating, exercising, all of those things. I totally agree.

A hundred percent. Yes. So I feel like hopefully since we’ll have you multiple times, I think let’s take it back a little bit as we’re getting to know you.

And one thing that you and I have talked a lot about in our private conversations is this idea of like empowering like the next generation of women. We both have daughters. You also have a son. Um, and so we think a lot about, okay, what were the experiences of our childhood? We share, you know, an Indian American heritage to begin with.

Our parents were immigrants, and in my case, my mom, in your case, I believe both of your parents. Um, and so I feel like I would love to learn a little bit more about, you know, how you ended up going to medical school. Like, tell us a little bit more about your beginnings, your childhood.

Okay, so I think one thing my one thing that people might not know about me is I grew up in the tiniest town in Georgia, so it is so sweet.

It’s the [00:03:00] sweetest town. It is set in the Blue Ridge Mountains. It’s on the border of Georgia and South Carolina. So if you go down 85 or the first exit, it’s called to co op. It means the beautiful. It’s a Cherokee name that means beautiful. And we have one mountain called Currihee Mountain, which is the last of the Blue Ridge.

And it’s just really idyllic. And it’s simple. And there are 5, 000 people. And it just, you know, my closest neighbor was a mile away. Which is funny because now I’m such a people person, I need people around me all the time. But I really just had my family. Um, And as you said, yes, growing up as an Indian American, I think there was a lot of pressure and to succeed academically that came from home, but not necessarily around me because a lot of people, you know, it was, it was, it was a very simple, sweet life.

And I feel like it’s not like, you know, you had to do this and you had to do that from the people around me. So, when I was in 6th grade, it was very devastating to me at the time, but I actually got pulled out of our public school from my hometown and my dad sent me, myself and my sister, [00:04:00] to um, a private school that was 45 minutes away.

Oh my gosh. So, every day.

Every day, we were bused to the neighboring town, it was 45 minutes away, it’s called Gainesville, Georgia. Really also Sweet Town, but a little bit bigger than Toccoa. And it was just really hard for me because all of my friends were going to our school and then going to our high school.

I think it was like Friday Night Lights, like Friday Night Football, and it was just, and all of a sudden I was on this bus going to a different town for a private school. Um, and I think, you know, it was an amazing school for me. It was tiny. My graduating class was 20.

So even the school that you got bussed to, like the other town, was also tiny, but it was bigger than

It was, their public school is bigger, but I was in a private school, so it was very small.

It was 20 people. I think our graduating class in our hometown was 100 or something. Okay. Um, but you got to be everything, so I could play tennis and, and be the Victorian. You know, you kind of get to do everything for your college application. But in reality, it was 20 people. You know, so that’s kind of the joke in our household is that you got to be [00:05:00] everything, but it was 20 people.

That’s true. Um, but it was great, and it was, it was a fun upbringing. But I was doing well in high school and got good SAT scores. And my parents pushed me to apply for this program. And I was lucky enough to get into high school as a senior, or sorry, get into medical school as a senior in high school.

Oh, wow.

I was 17. I was young for my class and I was accepted into the Northern College of Virginia, um, for the year 2025. So, or sorry, 2005, 2005. Cause I graduated from high school in 2000. Okay. And I was accepted into medical school in 2005. Okay. So, really didn’t have a choice. My life was set at 17.

I don’t even know you can do that, but for Bell I get to know for the future, so.

Alright. Didn’t even know that that was possible.

Um, yep, you can do it. There are a few programs in the country. And it was great. I remember my dad, um, so we had very. Um, we have very thin walls and so our floor upstairs is very thin and so my dad would watch like his Manchester United games up there and if we were downstairs we could hear him jumping up and down and the [00:06:00] floor would shake and we knew like Manchester United won.

The same thing happened one day, I heard my dad jumping up and down, I had just gotten home from, um, like meeting friends out for coffee or whatever I was doing at 17, and I was like, is there a Manchester United game on? I asked my mom and she was like, no, you’ve gotten to medical school, and I’m like, what do you mean?

It was set my dad came down and showed it to me and I just remember this mixed feelings of well I’m so happy that my parents are happy. But is this what I want to do?

Yeah I was gonna say cuz that had you worked in like the hospital or done anything up until that point because I obviously you I think the spoiler on the story is you love what you do.

I love it.

Yeah. So I think like if we fast forward to today, it seems like it was the right choice. But at 17, that’s a really big decision.

Big decision. Because at 17, I wanted to hang out with my friends. I wanted to go to Georgia. All my friends went to Georgia. My cousins went to Georgia. Um, I just wanted to.

I didn’t want to go to medical school at 17, you know, and, and I did have a call, you do a couple years of college and then go to medical school, but it was just really hard for me and I [00:07:00] remember just feeling a lot of resentment to my parents because I was like, is this the life I want or is this the life they want for me and I don’t think I actually knew because I’m not, do you know what you want at 17?

I don’t know. I mean, I think we do. Do we? I don’t know. Um, but yes, Fast forward, I love it, um, I end up in Chicago, um, for a residency, met my husband the first day, found this amazing area of breast imaging that I love, um, and so it’s great, but I just think, you know, on the drive down here, I was just really thinking of those high school, formative years, and kind of struggling between, you know, wanting to be with friends, and the pressures of being with your friends, and the social pressures, but then also, you know, Having to make these decisions on what you’re gonna do for the rest of your life when you’re still a baby, you know

Definitely.

So well, I think it’s interesting coming from the Indian culture, too Because I think that there’s and now that as I’ve gotten older and like reflected on my childhood, too I think there’s a balance between You know first of all hopefully when you’re lottery and who your parents are right [00:08:00] because if your parents are somebody that are gonna be So influential and in your case, like so specifically influential, um, I could had in so many different directions.

And so it sounds like we’ve both been fortunate to have like wonderful parents that helped to lead us in the right direction because I know so, so many times in like talking to other people where they’ve had more traumatic childhoods, it’s kind of hard to imagine a case in which, you know, your parents are more are so directive in terms of what you need to do next, but maybe it’s directing you in a direction that you wouldn’t need to go.

So it sounds like you were fortunate in that. The paths that they were leading you on were the next paths, but I definitely think being, you know, um, having parents that are immigrants and specifically parents that are immigrants from India, it does, you know, from my perspective, at least a little bit, like when I think about like my mom’s upbringing and it took me a long time to understand this, it’s like education was really what separated like actually being able to maybe be living in poverty versus to be living A life that you could actually be achieving more.

And so I [00:09:00] think sometimes when you live, when you grew up here and you don’t have like that. That feeling of coming from a country where, like, it, it, there was a little bit more here that was, like, given to us than maybe, at least speaking for my mom, than was, like, given to her. It’s sometimes hard to have an appreciation for where they’re coming from on it, and as an adult, you can look back and you can say, oh, wow, you know, the reason that they were so directive about stuff is they were, they, they came with their own trauma from their childhood, and the only reason that my mom was able to come to the United States was education, if she didn’t have it, and so, Hence, the reason to value it so much.

But I think sometimes, as my mom and I talk today, there’s so much about not growing up here where they didn’t necessarily understand some of those other pressures too. So it’s kind of like, now as we are with our children, figuring out the balance of what it looks like for us as moms, being one step removed from actually being immigrants ourselves, but still like, how do you carry that?

And this isn’t a question to answer, but the thing to grapple with a little bit is like, How do you carry, like, [00:10:00] the values and that heritage forward but be able to do it in a way that, like, sort of honors our own experiences within that to bring us to be the parents that we’ll, you know, evolve to over the next 18 years?

Absolutely. I think it’s so hard and I think we do have a different perspective because, you know, I went to high school here. I went to middle school here. I went to college here. I know how that is and I think it’s really hard because, you know, we all want our kids to succeed, right? I mean, I think we want them to be.

First and foremost, kind humans. Absolutely, kind humans, you know, good hearts and make good decisions and, and treat people with respect. But we also want them to be successful for whatever way that means, you know, in their own world. And it’s hard because, You know, I know medicine. My husband knows medicine, but it’s a really hard career and I’m not sure it’s right for everyone, you know, and but it is kind of the only thing I know because I did it since I was so little.

So how we support our kids and what they want to do without just putting on. Our own thoughts, right? Like I wouldn’t [00:11:00] even know how to start a business like you did. Like that is totally out of my wheelhouse, you know? So if my kids want to start a business, I’m sending them to you because I like, I have no idea.

But, um, but I think that it’s the hard balance. Like we, we want to do right for them. We want, we’re trying to be successful as moms and as women, but not adding that pressure into our kids that they’re already feeling. I just don’t know how to get that balance.

Definitely. And I feel like the good thing for moms and parents that are out there listening is like, there are no, like, Right answers to any of it.

It’s kind of navigating all of it, right? At what point Sonia did you feel like you’d made the right choice? Was it during the years that led up to actually starting medical school? Was it during medical school? Like, when were you like, yes, this is the path?

Um, probably in medical school. I loved my medical school experience.

I had the best friends. We just had the best time. Like, um, you would, and it was really interesting in medical school because, or at least ours was, the curriculum at the time, because it was every three weeks you had all these exams the first two, uh, the first few years. And so it was like the first week you would just be social.

The whole [00:12:00] week, you know, you go to class, you get coffee, you go work out, you get dinner, um, and then the next week you start kind of studying, and the third week you’re all just in the library together, and then you take your test, and then you celebrate, and then you start all over again. So there’s a lot of team building, which I think I don’t, didn’t realize then, but thinking about now with my own team and my clinic, that team building really is what sustains you, right?

Because you have this group of people rallying around you, and we’re all doing the same thing, so it’s hard to do anything else, because you’re all on the same. Schedule. Right. Which is so nice. It’s this community that you’ve built with Monica and Andy that, that, you know, we build around us. I think it all comes back to community and I think that was a moment that I was like, oh my gosh, all these people who I love so much.

are doing what I wanted, what I’m doing. And it was really fun. And then I found breast imaging, and I met my husband, I moved to Chicago. Um, I found Northwestern, which has been an incredible job for me for all these years. Um, and it’s just, and now I have my own team, and my own small clinic. And it’s just been the best to come to work to the same, with the same [00:13:00] people every day.

Well, and that’s what I was going to ask you next, is How did you decide specifically to go into breast imaging? So it’s like, you’re 17, you get into medical school, you’re just like, I’m not sure, but you’re going with it, you get a few years of like, more general undergrad before getting into it, and then it sounds like in medical school you’re like, yes, this is it.

But there’s still so many different things that you can do.

So many different things. And breast imaging is just such a small little world, a lot of people don’t even know about it. I thought I wanted to do dermatology, and I thought that that was going to be really cool. exactly where I wanted to be. My dad is an orthopedic surgeon, so I didn’t want to do surgery because I felt like he was just always busy.

And now I think there are a little bit more life balances, you know, especially in the post COVID world and medicine that they offer. But, you know, he was a tiny little small town surgeon, and so he was just on call all the time. Um, and then I realized that I actually liked interacting with the surgeons, which I would miss in the dermatology world.

So that’s how it went to radiology, you’re almost behind the scenes. So traumas come in, you’re reading the scans, the surgeons are talking to you. [00:14:00] You have this amazing collaborative relationship with the surgeons, but you’re a little bit behind the scenes. But then I miss the patients, right? Because I was too behind the scenes.

I loved it. I was talking to my colleagues, but I missed being with the patients and breast kind of offers all of that. We work with oncologists and breast surgeons, radiation oncologists, but we also see the patients. Um, and so it kind of was the perfect blend for me and I love women’s health.

So my gosh, yes, well, I feel like that must be incredible too to get to work And I know there’s men that come in as well and like as we’ve talked about in the past like men have breast cancer But so many of the patients that you’re seeing on a day to day basis are of course women Which has to be and across like all ages and stages, right?

Oh, which has to be like so so incredibly rewarding

it is and I think women are just really Appreciative, you know all patients are appreciative, you know, but it’s it’s just so fun to work with people Um that are like you, you know, and you can just empower women and men, um, and everybody with, with that knowledge that they can really, [00:15:00] um, I think if you remember, mammograms are one of those things that you really have to be on top of it, right?

So you’re empowering women to remember to take control of their own health, and that’s really, really special.

Well, and I feel like for people that are listening to us that have, like, a daughter or son that are, you know, that are growing up and gonna be thinking about their career, or even if you’re thinking about it for yourself, I feel like, I didn’t realize we’re so similar in so many ways, but how different, um, are like paths to our career was because it’s so interesting that like 17 you’re getting into medical school and you’re not 100 percent sure, but you’re on the path.

And it’s so funny for me. It was like I spent a decade in the pharmaceutical industry while my brother was building bonobos and I never once was like, I want to start a company to your point about entrepreneurship. And then so much found my calling and doing this. And as you said, building this community.

So I think it’s very interesting in life how. blossoming into like your purpose doesn’t necessarily happen at like a particular age or stage and I think that there’s different like I don’t think I would be able to be the leader [00:16:00] I am today within my company if I didn’t have the experience of like the ten years that I was doing something else but then thinking about your experience and how you’ve like grown into leadership but through like more of you know a single specialized area which has been medicine the entire way so I think Just thinking about these stories one of the things that I feel like it’s really exciting is that there’s like no Perfect path right and you’re never really at the destination right even with what you’re doing There’s like so many new things that you’re thinking about in building So I have to tell myself all the time like these are the days like I have to enjoy the journey because sometimes you’re just like Oh, when I get to this next thing when I hit this next milestone, and then you look back on it And you’re like oh my gosh the fun was in what we were doing the whole way Yeah, and I wonder if you’re sometimes telling yourself

no 100 percent actually I like I literally just had a eureka moment when you what you said Where you’re never at your destination because it’s so true Especially for people who are so driven that you’re always constantly once you get to a destination, there’s another destination, right?

You’re never [00:17:00] done. And and I think that is it is the journey like I look back. Yeah when I was in residency I mean, I remember I was As I was driving in again, I was thinking of all these stories, you know, just think reflecting back on my path and what got me here and I remember one, um, my husband, I lived together in residency.

We were both residents and I remember we didn’t see each other for three weeks, like literally three weeks between nights and call and weekends and whatever. The few minutes we saw each other. I remember we like kissed each other in Michigan Avenue as I was going into the hospital. He was going out of the hospital, but we were so like we didn’t see each other.

And, um, and we had parked our car, one of us. sleep deprived or parked our car in the exact wrong parking spot. So it was the right parking spot on the wrong floor. And it got towed. And it was weeks until we realized it was towed. And so by the time we found it, it was like an impound lot. And it was like 1, 000 to get it out.

And we were like, we’re residents! It’s 1, 000. It’s a lot of money. But just showed how, you know, our journey of going through and how disconnected and how we just were in it. We’re in it. Our head was down. Our head was down. And now looking back? [00:18:00] There are such amazing times during all of that, you know, it was this journey that got us to whatever destination we’re at here, which will change in the next 10 years.

And there is that journey that you have to embrace at some point, but sometimes you’re just so in it, it’s hard to just get out of the thick of it. It is. To appreciate it.

It’s so hard to appreciate it. If you had, if there was like a younger, um, girl or boy that was listening to this. If you could step back and say, like, here’s, like, something that you learned or, like, advice that you could give your younger self.

Um, and I can kind of start as you think through it. So that you have a minute to think about it. But for me, I think I would say, like, don’t be afraid of, like, the bottom of the ladder on stuff. Like, don’t be afraid of doing, like, some of the hard stuff. I think the most that I learned Wasn’t necessarily at the stage that I am now, but it was having, like, the entry level jobs for things, or, like, the things that, like, other people didn’t necessarily want to do.

I feel like I learned a lot about, like, managing and talking to all different types of people. A lot of [00:19:00] humility from, like, being turned down on things or people telling me no. And so I think sometimes, you know, as I think about, like, even my incredible younger cousins that are, like, a decade behind me and seeing them up and coming in their careers.

And they’ve all done, like, such tremendous things. But I think sometimes we’re like, we’re afraid of like taking the, the first step and you don’t have to go to like running a company at the very beginning. As a matter of fact, I couldn’t run the company if I wasn’t, if I didn’t have the 10 years of like humility of like all of the things that I did before.

And so for me, I think the biggest thing that I would say to people is like, don’t be afraid to, to try to do many different things and to take jobs at all different levels of the spectrum because there’s something that you can learn from all that. And sometimes you talk, I talk to kids that are. Just coming out of business school or maybe just graduating and like they’re already like a hundred steps away In their mind of like what they want to do and sometimes I feel like you’re missing the beauty of the journey Right if you don’t allow yourself to take like some of those first [00:20:00] steps

I totally agree and I feel like it’s interesting there’s so many parallels and and not parallels in the business world the medicine world because I would say One of the things with medicine is that journey, that graduated responsibility, is all lined up for you in a way that you have to find it in the business world.

You are in college, and then you’re in medical school, and then you’re an intern, and then you’re a resident, and then you’re a new attending, and then you’re a seasoned faculty member. And so it is actually the staggered. step wise approach in medicine, and as an intern, you do all this stuff, right? Like you’re running around, everyone’s giving you stuff to do, and you kind of gradually get up to the responsibilities.

But I would not be who I was if I wasn’t an intern, if I wasn’t that medical student, if I wasn’t that college student, if I wasn’t that 17 year old high school student applying to this medical school program is what you’re saying, and I totally agree with you. Um, and the only thing I would add in terms of advice is inspiration’s everywhere.

And I think, you know, especially when I was an intern or a medical student, I thought I was supposed to look up to these, [00:21:00] the higher attendings or the higher residents for inspiration. But it’s amazing. Like, I’m inspired by my kids. I’m inspired by people at the grocery store. I’m inspired by, you never know when that spark of inspiration is going to come.

You know, I think, my parents guided me, which it was. It’s incredible. Um, but that spark came from the inside and the inspirations everywhere, you know?

Oh my gosh. I love that, Tanya. And I think the other thing that people can learn from us too is like kind of making friendships outside of your lane.

Because I think it’s so normal. So if you’re a founding CEO or you have a company, it, it’s like you find so, so much camaraderie and people that are doing the exact same thing as you. But I think once you reach out across. The aisles are like something, like, we do totally different things every day, but to your point, there are so many similarities, and there’s so much to learn, and so much to appreciate, because I think sometimes when you’re with, like, your own group of people doing the same thing, you commiserate about, like, the same strengths, and the same weaknesses, but it really helps to reset the way that you think [00:22:00] about stuff, and to appreciate, like, for me sometimes, I think about you, or I think about some of my other friends in medicine, and like, when I’m having a tough day, And this isn’t to make your day any tougher.

I’m like, you know what? Li Like, lives aren’t in my hands. There’s people with responsibilities that are, that are bigger than what I’m doing. And it helps to recenter me on just like, taking, you know, kind of taking a little bit more of like a grain of salt or a little bit more of like, uh, recentering myself.

Like, nobody’s life is depending on me today as I’m doing it. And so, it’s helpful to actually put yourself in the presence of other people. Where you are having hard conversations with your patients and so I’m sure having wonderful conversations I’m sure but like there is a big responsibility that sits on the shoulders of people like yourself And I just like I’m just in awe of that and your ability to do that because I think even on my hardest day It’s not as hard as like the hardest day that you experience And I think like there’s just there’s inspiration for me there as I look at that.

Well, I’m in awe of you, too I don’t know how you do what you do and I think But I also think surrounding yourself with people, [00:23:00] I think community, which you’ve, you’ve

I mean, I think community really does help, but community with people who aren’t necessarily in your field, I think helps with burnout. You know, I think on days that, you know, like today, it was so fun to come down here and do something a little bit different than my normal clinic day. I mean, I think that is in that, you know, it’s surrounding yourself with people that might not be doing exactly what you’re doing, but are similar to you in so many different ways.

I really think that helps with the burnout and just the monotony of the day to day, you know?

Oh my gosh. Yeah. And a lot of times it’s like, it’s hard to get out even to do the podcast. It’s so fun for me because I could go on and on as like my incredible assistant Maddie would tell you with like the same segment of meetings and like I enjoy it so much, you know, um, the weeds can be so fun, too, but the opportunity to rise above them a little bit to have conversations outside is like a hard effort to put in.

But once you get into it, you’re like, Oh my gosh, like I could do this all day long. It’s great. I know we only have so [00:24:00] much time to talk today and there’ll be many more to come, but let’s kind of end in one. Like, specific conversation, which is, um, as the daughter of immigrants and now is like the moms of this next generation of kids, how do you think about, like, motherhood and sort of balancing what you experienced as a kid, which turned you into an incredibly successful adult, and like, how you kind of think about how you parent?

And I know that’s a work in progress because I’m figuring it out too. But sometimes I think about, like with my daughter, you know, I feel like I’m pretty strict with her about things and like pretty serious about her schoolwork, but sometimes we’re both like, Oh, when Nani finds this out, then it’s going to get real.

So it’s funny, like I don’t feel, which is like your maternal grandmother, um, in, in India, like the way you would say it is Nani. So it’s funny how, like, I feel like I’m this like lion of a parent. Well, like my mom is still like the head of the the entire pride and I [00:25:00] don’t know how you how you think about it As you parent

Oh 100 percent I mean, I think we’re always gonna be our parents daughter.

Yeah, right I mean I can do whatever I want to do and succeed and do all these things and have my own kids But I’m always That, you know, little girl from Toccoa, Georgia, on the inside, you know, and I think it’s fun to talk to our kids about that, you know, and talk to our kids about where we came from, where our parents came from, and because I think they understand us better, and I think that we’ll understand how to parent better when we all understand where we all came from, you know.

Definitely, and I think one of the things I think about, too, that I really take away from my childhood is, like, my mom was, you know, she led a group of women and, like, managed as well, and I think that The one fundamental thing that I really took from my parents is, like, no matter how busy they were, I always felt like I came first.

Whether or not I agreed with, like, the choices they made or, like, the advice that they had. And that’s one, that’s one thing that I’m trying to take in such a busy world to my own daughter. And so I’d say to parents that are [00:26:00] out there listening, like, she’s not involved in a thousand activities because we don’t necessarily have time for it.

And so I’ve, I’m not. I’m not trying to be the parent that does the most, but I, and with how busy things are, it’s hard to find the quality time, but that’s what I think about more than anything, is like, how can we feel like we really connect, and can I make sure that, like, no matter how many things I have going, she feels like she comes first, and it’ll be a while until I find out if If I’m successful at that or not, but I try to, I try to think about like, that was a big takeaway from my childhood.

It’s kind of like you think of these love languages. I know we don’t have much time, but you think about these love languages and quality time is the one that kids really need. Can understand right and they really want us right now, you know, maybe it’s a high school student They’re not gonna want us around all the time, you know, but right now they want us and and we’re so busy It’s hard to find that time, but we have to find that time, you know, because they want us around They want that quality time and we do too.

We just have to learn how to put everything else aside So we can focus on them

[00:27:00] Definitely. Sonia, thank you so much. This was a lovely conversation. This was so fun. And I’m excited to have many more.

I agree. Thank you so much for having me. It was so much fun.

Thank you.